TOPIC: Met Dr. Loria yesterday

kcchief wrote: Hoddle,
Any chance you can speak to these doctors? I just wonder how
They would feel about loria idea and his mixing with other fillers would achieve the microdrop procudre?
Kcchief

The only purpose for mixing it is so that it can be used for greater volume and we already know they don't approve of that. Also we still don't really know what he's mixing it with.

The most these Dr's like to use seems to be 2cc and that is over numerous sessions. So they'd inject each drop individually. But in the penis, Loria is probably doing 5-10 cc per session and there is no way he can deliver that many micro droplets, as it would take forever. Instead by premixing it, he can deliver larger volumes in about 10 minutes.

The trouble with this whole procedure is the element of the unknown. Just because it goes against protocol doesn't mean it will definitely end in disaster. Complications could prove to be low and the basic theory is sound. However, the same can be said of numerous cosmetic fillers that have come on the market over the years. In theory Arteplast should have been fine, but in the end it got banned in Europe and now several generations later we have Artefil. We only find out these things are causing more problems than anticipated when patients reports problems. The trouble is we don't have any history of Silikon1000 injected in this manner and quantity, so Loria is essentially gambling.

If he was genuinely interested in this area of medicine he's have very slowly and cautiously introduced the procedure over a number of years, with a very selective patient acceptance process. Instead he's come up with some absurd jazzy name, knocked up a website where he lies, got himself on the news, made up a procedure history (no one believes he's done this for a year and to 100 guys!) and invaded this site not only with shills promoting him, but attacking other Dr's. Let's not forget this procedure is not even his idea. At the end of the day he's just seen a way to massively increase his income. This is just so much more lucrative than doing HT's, as his costs are so low, profit margins so big, the market is huge and it's so quick to perform he could easily do 10 per day, with no need for any assistants.

Usmcwolf was being a smart and made a stupid comment, so I just played along

Irishfan did you get a reason why the thread at pegym was locked? Just curious about that. It does not seem like a forum that is very open minded to surgery in penis enlargment.
kcchief

I just got redirected here from PEgym.

So Im confused, is IsoLigs the real skepticalone on pegym, or is skepticalone over there legit?

Thats funny, the caller ID from the first call from my inquiry with Loria stated Patient Referral with a totally different area code then his offie.

Irishfan wrote: Some good info here. I could be wrong but it looks like my fat pad is puffy. Some of it could have went in this area. The banding at the base was not real tight. It is looking better.

So in the opinion of any of you, what is the best way to get to 6 in Girth? Is it possile?

Hi Irishfan, I wish you the best bro and I hope you get the result you wanted without any complications.

As we know the gain from Silikon1000 is not mainly from the volume of the injected product its mostly from the new collagen formed (due to our body's inflammatory response) around thousands micro-droplets distributed in the injected field with a distance between each microdrop about 3-5 mm. So a doctor has to wait till the new collagen forms around and encapsulate each micro-drop of Silikon1000 before injecting the 2nd rd (it is exactly the same for pmma beads) and fix them in the injected spot and not allowing them to migrate to other areas or cluster together to form a bigger volume of Silikon1000 -->no collagen formation ---> not fixed in the injected spot ---> a danger of migration.

If you ask any doctor who has a good experience in the safe micro-droplets technique; he will tell you a doctor must wait for at least a month between each round otherwise there will be no micro-droplets technique of Silikon1000 ---> there will be a danger of forming big drops of Silikon1000 ---> i.e. your body cannot form collagen around these big drops ---> a high risk of migration (in a long term) of Silikon1000 towards (according to gravity) the glans or scrotum.

Check this site :-

www.pfrankmd.com/siliconemicrodropletinj.html :-


"The microdroplet technique entails the injection of numerous small drops (about 1/2 a drop of water) of sterile silicone oil into several points within a desired site. When injected, the liquid silicone remains chemically unaltered and is subsequently surrounded by a collagen capsule produced by the patient’s skin. Treatments are conducted at monthly intervals to allow for collagen rebuilding and a resulting natural appearance. This technique overwhelmingly minimizes the occurrence of overcorrection and potential drift (movement or shifting) of the silicone that has been seen with other techniques that involve large volume injections".

There are two doctors in NYC a father and his daughter :- Dr. Jay Barnett (with 40 yrs experience) and Dr.Channing Barnett these two doctors have great experience with this technique "the micro-droplets" with great results, they will tell you for a safe and successful result one important thing a doctor has to wait for at least a month between each round otherwise there will be a high risk of complications from Silikon injection.

www.barnettdermatology.com/treatments.php?id=16

I am sorry Irishfan if I brought this topic again, it is nothing against you or even Dr.Loria, I do care for any member here including you, but you have the right to know what is injected in your body, In regard of Silikon1000; it doesn't make any difference to me if he used the safe micro-droplets technique of Silikon1000 as any other experienced doctors use or instead he used his new mixture (Silikon1000 + other products ---> which as he claims can form micro drops of Silikon1000) imo he made a big mistake ( i.e. if he really used Silikon1000) (Its not only me saying that but also the most experienced doctors will tell you the same) by injecting Silikon again within one week.


I wish if you can get the answer from him for this Q. . He might have a good explanation for that which unfortunately other experienced doctors have not (e.g. Dr.Jay Barnett 40 yrs experience with silicone injection).

Mustang2020 wrote: Well, he is saying he can inject 40+ CC in each session at one week apart. So may be he is using a carrier that absorbs quickly....or may be he does not know what the F***k he is doing! He surely is either lying to us all including his patients or, and I said it many times so sorry for repeating it, he is just using his patients as lab rats to find out what works and what does not...

So far, it seems like he is another elist and such, he is giving Dr's a lousy name and he is disgracing his profession!

But he said at PEgym that he was using Hyaluronic Acid. As far as I know these take months to absorb or at least those approved by the FDA do.

Pics or GTFO

EZ

Day two after second procedure. The pain is gone, a bit of discomfort from the wrap. Slept good no problems on that end. I wish it would stay this size all the time.

I am glad you sent the pictures. Basically a lot of us including myself, do not like Dr L. Unfortunately some the of hostility is being directed toward you, since we can not talk to the doctor himself.

I would say ignore at least for now, it is more important that you focus on healing by maintaining a positive outlook. And is probably counterproductive to defend Dr L.

I am hoping you recover from this fully, and please reconsider going back for more treatments until you have more time to research this and think things over. just my advice.

No way this site failed. Ask MM how I became a member.

If it wasn't for this site I wouldn't have known the red flags. I saw Irish's posts on pegym and it seemed somewhat credible. It wasn't until I googled Loria and found the Loria threads here that I realized that this procedure is a complete sham and Loria himself was most likely IrishFan.

The information is here. Anyone with half a brain should realize after reading these threads (and read the hair restoration thread too) that Loria is a snake oil salesman, and cares nothing for his patients (god knows if he has even had a penis enlargement patient yet, let's hope not).

For now, I'll continue the good fight and scour the internet to warn people about whats going on. If that means posting every time IrishFan starts a new thread on another site in an attempt to generate interest without giving all the information, so be it. I hope you guys will join me.

I apologize to the Forum Members for not posting lately - I was preoccupied on the PEGYM forum.

However, I must conclude the same as I did with PEGym Forum....

I do not have the time to simply spend many hours defending myself against many false accusations. I came aboard to maybe answer questions for those genuine and honest people, provide information on a new penile enlargement technique that I feel was worth talking about, and learn from those here as well.

Those who's agenda was simply to oppose and mock...you win. Take care and I wish you all well. Moderator – please remove me from your data base,Thank you,Dr. Loria

i have been a member for a while, and i often enter to read and research a bit. i have to tell this loria posts have been crazy!! im a bit skeptical with this doc. to put something in my Dick everything has to be transparent in terms of the procedure and the material put in. @Irishfan, really hope to see some bef and after pics and to know more about your results. good luck!