TOPIC: Met Dr. Loria yesterday

As we know PMMA products e.g. Artefill contains around 20% pmma beads and around 80% bovine collagen so i.e. the end result (the volume gain) will contain 20% permanent pmma beads and the rest i.e. 80% or less will be the new collagen that our body produced .

Dr. Loria claims that > 95% of the end volume gain from his mixture will be our new collagen so the rest of this gain will be the permanent products (e.g. artefill +/- silikon 1000) i.e <5% .

www.hiltonrx.com/penis-enlargement/south...gement-procedure.php

Does that make sense :-

(Artefill) 20% permanent product ---> <80% new collagen
(Loria's cocktail) <5% permanent products ---> >95% new collagen

So i.e. his mixture is better than Artefill ????? :-

Cheaper, produce more collagen (i.e. it should be with this mixture less rounds needed) and no need for skin-test (28 days before the main injection).

Suneva "the owner of Artefill" will be in the future bankrupt because of this genius cheap mixture .

@Irishfan,

I wish you the best and I hope after this 2nd rd you will have a better gain.

Your 1st rd as far as I remember was on the 26th of July and after only 6-7 days you had your 2nd rd :- I concluded from that either he doesn't know when the new collagen starts to form around the beads or the micro drops (which I doubt it) or he knew about it but he injected in the 1st rd mostly temporary fillers or he might injected only a small volume (I doubt this possibility...> you paid 5k for the 1st rd).

1- If he is truly using a permanent pmma or silikon1000 products as he claims, your body will start producing collagen weeks after injection (e.g.in Artefill after 2-3 wks and ends around 2-3 months) so he should know that he has to wait for a longer period for the 2nd rd.(4-6 wks), and esp. if he claims his mixture will give you > 95% your own body collagen unless if he injected you only a very small amount (but I doubt it, you paid for the 1st rd 5k ??).

2- Lets say if you didn't gain from the 2nd rd (I really hope that you will have gain this time) what's next ?? Will you go for a 3rd rd after 6-7 days again ??

So there must be something with this mixture and this procedure :- He still didn't find the real mixture that he claims, otherwise he shouldn't inject again after 6-7 days i.e. if he really used in his mixture as he claims permanent products.

I would ask him this Q. if I were you :-

Why didn't you wait for the new collagen to form (as he claims in his article) before injecting me the 2nd time ??

Irishfan wrote: The bruseing is not that bad, it's light purple about a quarter size just under the gland. I think it is getting better not sure. As I have said, I will post pictures at the end if they are worth posting. In two weeks if I have no gain I will comment but I wouldn't see a need to put pictures of my junk on the net. However if theresults are bad you can rest assure I will post pictures to warn everyone. If this goes bad I would not want anyone else to o it.

I had no idea I was the first! That is bothersome a bit. Has anyone had something like this that worked? Like the ppm thing

You are the first reporting member of having had the procedure done. Pics would be very helpful because no one else has done it, so please reconsider.

According to what's been gathered, Dr. Loria has supposedly done 100+ patients over the past year, and I'd imagine some of them were in contact with you prior to your procedure, right? One has to wonder if they weren't just phone-testimonial shills (and I would not be the least bit surprised).

Out of 100+ purported Dr. Loria penis enlargement patients, not one has found his way to any PE forum until now (you). That's probably because most of the info we get regarding this procedure is B.S.

PLUS, he was preoccupied with the PEGYM forum and the many patients he is doing every day, so he had no time to answer the real questions but he had time to answer the pricing questions...That shows where a real dr focus is!

BTW, his front desk does not even know which airport is the closest to his office!!!!! They are too busy collecting money.

It doesnt make much sense, Irishfan. Would you care to explain what do you mean by "if and only if I have a change that stays good or bad"? Why would you only post pics if there is a change? If Loria's procedure has already been carried out, there should be a change already.

Irishfan wrote: If you read all my post you will see that I will, if and only if I have a change that stays good or bad. After 21 days and it's back to normal I will not post pic. But I will tell you to save your money if that happens.

I will try to post updates everyday.

Bigben wrote: Mustang, my greatest fear is that although all this publicity may seem bad on the surface, it creates controversy which inevitably draws in a larger audience. A little over a month ago we did not know who he was. Now I type "Lxxxx penis enlargement" in google and get 190,000 hits ! Not to mention the segment on the evening news. If only 1/10 of a percent of the guys that hear about this pull the trigger, I am sure he would have plenty of business. This is very disturbing, but for now I see no solution.

I know. He will have some victims like elist had, but his dangerous procedure will die quickly and he most likely will loose his license, get sued, or worse get shot by one of his patients...

Irishfan did you get a reason why the thread at pegym was locked? Just curious about that. It does not seem like a forum that is very open minded to surgery in penis enlargment.
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So Im confused, is IsoLigs the real skepticalone on pegym, or is skepticalone over there legit?

Thats funny, the caller ID from the first call from my inquiry with Loria stated Patient Referral with a totally different area code then his offie.

Hi Irishfan, I wish you the best bro and I hope you get the result you wanted without any complications.

As we know the gain from Silikon1000 is not mainly from the volume of the injected product its mostly from the new collagen formed (due to our body's inflammatory response) around thousands micro-droplets distributed in the injected field with a distance between each microdrop about 3-5 mm. So a doctor has to wait till the new collagen forms around and encapsulate each micro-drop of Silikon1000 before injecting the 2nd rd (it is exactly the same for pmma beads) and fix them in the injected spot and not allowing them to migrate to other areas or cluster together to form a bigger volume of Silikon1000 -->no collagen formation ---> not fixed in the injected spot ---> a danger of migration.

If you ask any doctor who has a good experience in the safe micro-droplets technique; he will tell you a doctor must wait for at least a month between each round otherwise there will be no micro-droplets technique of Silikon1000 ---> there will be a danger of forming big drops of Silikon1000 ---> i.e. your body cannot form collagen around these big drops ---> a high risk of migration (in a long term) of Silikon1000 towards (according to gravity) the glans or scrotum.

Check this site :-

www.pfrankmd.com/siliconemicrodropletinj.html :-


"The microdroplet technique entails the injection of numerous small drops (about 1/2 a drop of water) of sterile silicone oil into several points within a desired site. When injected, the liquid silicone remains chemically unaltered and is subsequently surrounded by a collagen capsule produced by the patient’s skin. Treatments are conducted at monthly intervals to allow for collagen rebuilding and a resulting natural appearance. This technique overwhelmingly minimizes the occurrence of overcorrection and potential drift (movement or shifting) of the silicone that has been seen with other techniques that involve large volume injections".

There are two doctors in NYC a father and his daughter :- Dr. Jay Barnett (with 40 yrs experience) and Dr.Channing Barnett these two doctors have great experience with this technique "the micro-droplets" with great results, they will tell you for a safe and successful result one important thing a doctor has to wait for at least a month between each round otherwise there will be a high risk of complications from Silikon injection.

www.barnettdermatology.com/treatments.php?id=16

I am sorry Irishfan if I brought this topic again, it is nothing against you or even Dr.Loria, I do care for any member here including you, but you have the right to know what is injected in your body, In regard of Silikon1000; it doesn't make any difference to me if he used the safe micro-droplets technique of Silikon1000 as any other experienced doctors use or instead he used his new mixture (Silikon1000 + other products ---> which as he claims can form micro drops of Silikon1000) imo he made a big mistake ( i.e. if he really used Silikon1000) (Its not only me saying that but also the most experienced doctors will tell you the same) by injecting Silikon again within one week.


I wish if you can get the answer from him for this Q. . He might have a good explanation for that which unfortunately other experienced doctors have not (e.g. Dr.Jay Barnett 40 yrs experience with silicone injection).

Pics or GTFO

EZ

Day two after second procedure. The pain is gone, a bit of discomfort from the wrap. Slept good no problems on that end. I wish it would stay this size all the time.

I am glad you sent the pictures. Basically a lot of us including myself, do not like Dr L. Unfortunately some the of hostility is being directed toward you, since we can not talk to the doctor himself.

I would say ignore at least for now, it is more important that you focus on healing by maintaining a positive outlook. And is probably counterproductive to defend Dr L.

I am hoping you recover from this fully, and please reconsider going back for more treatments until you have more time to research this and think things over. just my advice.

No way this site failed. Ask MM how I became a member.

If it wasn't for this site I wouldn't have known the red flags. I saw Irish's posts on pegym and it seemed somewhat credible. It wasn't until I googled Loria and found the Loria threads here that I realized that this procedure is a complete sham and Loria himself was most likely IrishFan.

The information is here. Anyone with half a brain should realize after reading these threads (and read the hair restoration thread too) that Loria is a snake oil salesman, and cares nothing for his patients (god knows if he has even had a penis enlargement patient yet, let's hope not).

For now, I'll continue the good fight and scour the internet to warn people about whats going on. If that means posting every time IrishFan starts a new thread on another site in an attempt to generate interest without giving all the information, so be it. I hope you guys will join me.

I apologize to the Forum Members for not posting lately - I was preoccupied on the PEGYM forum.

However, I must conclude the same as I did with PEGym Forum....

I do not have the time to simply spend many hours defending myself against many false accusations. I came aboard to maybe answer questions for those genuine and honest people, provide information on a new penile enlargement technique that I feel was worth talking about, and learn from those here as well.

Those who's agenda was simply to oppose and mock...you win. Take care and I wish you all well. Moderator – please remove me from your data base,Thank you,Dr. Loria

i have been a member for a while, and i often enter to read and research a bit. i have to tell this loria posts have been crazy!! im a bit skeptical with this doc. to put something in my Dick everything has to be transparent in terms of the procedure and the material put in. @Irishfan, really hope to see some bef and after pics and to know more about your results. good luck!