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 [](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8129927-recent-patient-of-doc-loria.html?start=15#1293046031)

###  [Recent patient of Doc. Loria](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8129927-recent-patient-of-doc-loria.html?start=15#1293046031 "Hi, i recently did the doctor Loria's procedure for penile enlargement (scrotum, shaft and glans). I paid approx. 10,000 USD. I am not satisfied with the results:

a. no size gains.
b. the filler in...")

  Category: [General Phalloplasty Discussion (2.0 Archive)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive.html "A copy of PhalloBoards 2.0 written content.")
 Topic started 10 years 2 months ago, by [usaa](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/4524044-usaa.html "View usaa's Profile")

- [1](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8129927-recent-patient-of-doc-loria.html?start=0 "Page:1")
- [2](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8129927-recent-patient-of-doc-loria.html?start=15 "Page:2")

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 [Last Post](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8129927-recent-patient-of-doc-loria.html?start=15#1293046031 "Lol definitely") by [indiano123](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/4089166-indiano123.html "View indiano123's Profile")  10 years 1 day ago

 [](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8129927-recent-patient-of-doc-loria.html#1292994162)

###  [Recent patient of Doc. Loria](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8129927-recent-patient-of-doc-loria.html#1292994162 "Hi, i recently did the doctor Loria's procedure for penile enlargement (scrotum, shaft and glans). I paid approx. 10,000 USD. I am not satisfied with the results:

a. no size gains.
b. the filler in...")

  Category: [General Phalloplasty Discussion (2.0 Archive)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive.html "A copy of PhalloBoards 2.0 written content.")
 Topic started 10 years 2 months ago, by [usaa](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/4524044-usaa.html "View usaa's Profile")

- [1](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8129927-recent-patient-of-doc-loria.html?start=0 "Page:1")
- [2](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8129927-recent-patient-of-doc-loria.html?start=15 "Page:2")

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 [Last Post](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8129927-recent-patient-of-doc-loria.html?start=15#1293046031 "Lol definitely") by [indiano123](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/4089166-indiano123.html "View indiano123's Profile")  10 years 1 day ago

 [](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8114492-i-need-to-get-off-this-board.html#1292290197)

###  [I need to get off this board..](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8114492-i-need-to-get-off-this-board.html#1292290197 "..so I deleted my account, but then thought I really should say thank you to everyone on here first. PB has been really helpful, that is an understatement but rather than squeeze out all the right...")

  Category: [General Phalloplasty Discussion (2.0 Archive)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive.html "A copy of PhalloBoards 2.0 written content.")
 Topic started 10 years 2 months ago, by Dr Oates

 6 Replies

 2111 Views

 [Last Post](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8114492-i-need-to-get-off-this-board.html#1292519311 "i hadnt seen this thread until now and in case youre still dropping in now and then and also in case you didnt read my dedicated thread, i just wanna say thanks for the information conversations,...") by [number22](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/4484015-number22.html "View number22's Profile")  10 years 1 month ago

 [](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8109486-my-journey.html#1292247401)

###  [My journey](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8109486-my-journey.html#1292247401 "The last time I was on the board I was talking about self injecting and I bought 2 cc's of HA.I did it, I bought more and I've injected a total of 4cc's. The first time I injected myself I was scared...")

  Category: [General Phalloplasty Discussion (2.0 Archive)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive.html "A copy of PhalloBoards 2.0 written content.")
 Topic started 10 years 2 months ago, by [indiano123](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/4089166-indiano123.html "View indiano123's Profile")

 4 Replies

 1875 Views

 [Last Post](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8109486-my-journey.html#1292274543 "I'm moving this to the right sub-forum.

And I just can't idly stand by on this one, this forum is not going to provide a self-help handbook on performing procedures that should be performed by a...") by [Skeptical\_One](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1704847-skeptical-one.html "View Skeptical_One's Profile")  10 years 2 months ago

 [](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8109486-my-journey.html#1292246691)

###  [My journey](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8109486-my-journey.html#1292246691 "The last time I was on the board I was talking about self injecting and I bought 2 cc's of HA.I did it, I bought more and I've injected a total of 4cc's. The first time I injected myself I was scared...")

  Category: [General Phalloplasty Discussion (2.0 Archive)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive.html "A copy of PhalloBoards 2.0 written content.")
 Topic started 10 years 2 months ago, by [indiano123](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/4089166-indiano123.html "View indiano123's Profile")

 4 Replies

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 [Last Post](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8109486-my-journey.html#1292274543 "I'm moving this to the right sub-forum.

And I just can't idly stand by on this one, this forum is not going to provide a self-help handbook on performing procedures that should be performed by a...") by [Skeptical\_One](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1704847-skeptical-one.html "View Skeptical_One's Profile")  10 years 2 months ago

 [](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8109486-my-journey.html#1292246468)

###  [My journey](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8109486-my-journey.html#1292246468 "The last time I was on the board I was talking about self injecting and I bought 2 cc's of HA.I did it, I bought more and I've injected a total of 4cc's. The first time I injected myself I was scared...")

  Category: [General Phalloplasty Discussion (2.0 Archive)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive.html "A copy of PhalloBoards 2.0 written content.")
 Topic started 10 years 2 months ago, by [indiano123](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/4089166-indiano123.html "View indiano123's Profile")

 4 Replies

 1875 Views

 [Last Post](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8109486-my-journey.html#1292274543 "I'm moving this to the right sub-forum.

And I just can't idly stand by on this one, this forum is not going to provide a self-help handbook on performing procedures that should be performed by a...") by [Skeptical\_One](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1704847-skeptical-one.html "View Skeptical_One's Profile")  10 years 2 months ago

 [](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8105694-why-nobody-in-the-uk-or-usa.html#1292224312)

###  [Why nobody in the UK or USA?](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8105694-why-nobody-in-the-uk-or-usa.html#1292224312 "The PMMA procedure seems to on balance have the best results by far.

Yet nobody in the UK or the whole of the USA does it.

Is it illegal apart from in Mexico, the PMMA?")

  Category: [General Phalloplasty Discussion (2.0 Archive)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive.html "A copy of PhalloBoards 2.0 written content.")
 Topic started 10 years 2 months ago, by [Dexterphall](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/4011127-dexterphall.html "View Dexterphall's Profile")

 5 Replies

 1800 Views

 [Last Post](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8105694-why-nobody-in-the-uk-or-usa.html#1292225695 "I believe more people go Heller then mirza") by [indiano123](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/4089166-indiano123.html "View indiano123's Profile")  10 years 2 months ago

 [](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8105694-why-nobody-in-the-uk-or-usa.html#1292225695)

###  [Why nobody in the UK or USA?](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8105694-why-nobody-in-the-uk-or-usa.html#1292225695 "The PMMA procedure seems to on balance have the best results by far.

Yet nobody in the UK or the whole of the USA does it.

Is it illegal apart from in Mexico, the PMMA?")

  Category: [General Phalloplasty Discussion (2.0 Archive)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive.html "A copy of PhalloBoards 2.0 written content.")
 Topic started 10 years 2 months ago, by [Dexterphall](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/4011127-dexterphall.html "View Dexterphall's Profile")

 5 Replies

 1800 Views

 [Last Post](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8105694-why-nobody-in-the-uk-or-usa.html#1292225695 "I believe more people go Heller then mirza") by [indiano123](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/4089166-indiano123.html "View indiano123's Profile")  10 years 2 months ago

 [](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8105694-why-nobody-in-the-uk-or-usa.html#1292219115)

###  [Why nobody in the UK or USA?](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8105694-why-nobody-in-the-uk-or-usa.html#1292219115 "The PMMA procedure seems to on balance have the best results by far.

Yet nobody in the UK or the whole of the USA does it.

Is it illegal apart from in Mexico, the PMMA?")

  Category: [General Phalloplasty Discussion (2.0 Archive)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive.html "A copy of PhalloBoards 2.0 written content.")
 Topic started 10 years 2 months ago, by [Dexterphall](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/4011127-dexterphall.html "View Dexterphall's Profile")

 5 Replies

 1800 Views

 [Last Post](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8105694-why-nobody-in-the-uk-or-usa.html#1292225695 "I believe more people go Heller then mirza") by [indiano123](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/4089166-indiano123.html "View indiano123's Profile")  10 years 2 months ago

 [](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8100199-pmma-removal.html#1293358630)

###  [PMMA REMOVAL](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8100199-pmma-removal.html#1293358630 "Hello again.

Some of you may remember my post from a couple months back regarding my pMMA removal with DR. Reed. I chickened out and never went through with the appointment. I apologize for not...")

  Category: [General Phalloplasty Discussion (2.0 Archive)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive.html "A copy of PhalloBoards 2.0 written content.")
 Topic started 10 years 3 months ago, by [yungwildfree23](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/3965281-yungwildfree23.html "View yungwildfree23's Profile")

- [1](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8100199-pmma-removal.html?start=0 "Page:1")
- [2](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8100199-pmma-removal.html?start=15 "Page:2")
- [3](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8100199-pmma-removal.html?start=30 "Page:3")
- <a class="disabled">...</a>
- [10](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8100199-pmma-removal.html?start=135 "Page:10")

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 [Last Post](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8100199-pmma-removal.html?start=135#1301731757 "Great, hopefully he'll come back and fill us in about what's happened.") by [Reklaw](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/4324840-reklaw.html "View Reklaw's Profile")  8 years 9 months ago

 [](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8100199-pmma-removal.html#1293378191)

###  [PMMA REMOVAL](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8100199-pmma-removal.html#1293378191 "Hello again.

Some of you may remember my post from a couple months back regarding my pMMA removal with DR. Reed. I chickened out and never went through with the appointment. I apologize for not...")

  Category: [General Phalloplasty Discussion (2.0 Archive)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive.html "A copy of PhalloBoards 2.0 written content.")
 Topic started 10 years 3 months ago, by [yungwildfree23](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/3965281-yungwildfree23.html "View yungwildfree23's Profile")

- [1](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8100199-pmma-removal.html?start=0 "Page:1")
- [2](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8100199-pmma-removal.html?start=15 "Page:2")
- [3](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8100199-pmma-removal.html?start=30 "Page:3")
- <a class="disabled">...</a>
- [10](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8100199-pmma-removal.html?start=135 "Page:10")

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 [Last Post](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8100199-pmma-removal.html?start=135#1301731757 "Great, hopefully he'll come back and fill us in about what's happened.") by [Reklaw](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/4324840-reklaw.html "View Reklaw's Profile")  8 years 9 months ago

 [](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8085492-is-this-right-way-to-measure-it-feels-like-i-get-more-out-but-feels-like-im-cheating.html#1292027422)

###  [Is this right way to measure it feels like I get more out but feels like I'm cheating](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8085492-is-this-right-way-to-measure-it-feels-like-i-get-more-out-but-feels-like-im-cheating.html#1292027422 "Anyway will I lose length if I get pmma")

  Category: [General Phalloplasty Discussion (2.0 Archive)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive.html "A copy of PhalloBoards 2.0 written content.")
 Topic started 10 years 3 months ago, by [girthobsessed](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/4296739-girthobsessed.html "View girthobsessed's Profile")

 3 Replies

 1864 Views

 [Last Post](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8085492-is-this-right-way-to-measure-it-feels-like-i-get-more-out-but-feels-like-im-cheating.html#1292029571 "She has a wide vagina, so I would like to fill her up, that's why I'm interested in some pmma") by [girthobsessed](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/4296739-girthobsessed.html "View girthobsessed's Profile")  10 years 3 months ago

 [](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8080289-cymetra.html#1292768004)

###  [Cymetra](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8080289-cymetra.html#1292768004 "Anyone tried or have information on this?

 www.nvpsaz.com/male/cymetra-penis-girth-enhancement/")

  Category: [General Phalloplasty Discussion (2.0 Archive)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive.html "A copy of PhalloBoards 2.0 written content.")
 Topic started 10 years 3 months ago, by [needtogrow4](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/4220496-needtogrow4.html "View needtogrow4's Profile")

- [1](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8080289-cymetra.html?start=0 "Page:1")
- [2](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8080289-cymetra.html?start=15 "Page:2")

 29 Replies

 5821 Views

 [Last Post](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8080289-cymetra.html?start=15#1293440836 "So, I went in for my 2nd round a couple days ago. I have to say, although There was a bit more swelling and bruising, I am much happier with the results. The new doctor has a new technique that makes...") by [Subtle77](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/4518719-subtle77.html "View Subtle77's Profile")  9 years 10 months ago

 [](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8080289-cymetra.html#1292691208)

###  [Cymetra](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8080289-cymetra.html#1292691208 "Anyone tried or have information on this?

 www.nvpsaz.com/male/cymetra-penis-girth-enhancement/")

  Category: [General Phalloplasty Discussion (2.0 Archive)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive.html "A copy of PhalloBoards 2.0 written content.")
 Topic started 10 years 3 months ago, by [needtogrow4](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/4220496-needtogrow4.html "View needtogrow4's Profile")

- [1](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8080289-cymetra.html?start=0 "Page:1")
- [2](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8080289-cymetra.html?start=15 "Page:2")

 29 Replies

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 [Last Post](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8080289-cymetra.html?start=15#1293440836 "So, I went in for my 2nd round a couple days ago. I have to say, although There was a bit more swelling and bruising, I am much happier with the results. The new doctor has a new technique that makes...") by [Subtle77](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/4518719-subtle77.html "View Subtle77's Profile")  9 years 10 months ago

 [](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8080289-cymetra.html#1292745777)

###  [Cymetra](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8080289-cymetra.html#1292745777 "Anyone tried or have information on this?

 www.nvpsaz.com/male/cymetra-penis-girth-enhancement/")

  Category: [General Phalloplasty Discussion (2.0 Archive)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive.html "A copy of PhalloBoards 2.0 written content.")
 Topic started 10 years 3 months ago, by [needtogrow4](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/4220496-needtogrow4.html "View needtogrow4's Profile")

- [1](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8080289-cymetra.html?start=0 "Page:1")
- [2](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8080289-cymetra.html?start=15 "Page:2")

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 [Last Post](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8080289-cymetra.html?start=15#1293440836 "So, I went in for my 2nd round a couple days ago. I have to say, although There was a bit more swelling and bruising, I am much happier with the results. The new doctor has a new technique that makes...") by [Subtle77](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/4518719-subtle77.html "View Subtle77's Profile")  9 years 10 months ago

 [](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8080289-cymetra.html#1292763954)

###  [Cymetra](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8080289-cymetra.html#1292763954 "Anyone tried or have information on this?

 www.nvpsaz.com/male/cymetra-penis-girth-enhancement/")

  Category: [General Phalloplasty Discussion (2.0 Archive)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive.html "A copy of PhalloBoards 2.0 written content.")
 Topic started 10 years 3 months ago, by [needtogrow4](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/4220496-needtogrow4.html "View needtogrow4's Profile")

- [1](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8080289-cymetra.html?start=0 "Page:1")
- [2](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8080289-cymetra.html?start=15 "Page:2")

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 [Last Post](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8080289-cymetra.html?start=15#1293440836 "So, I went in for my 2nd round a couple days ago. I have to say, although There was a bit more swelling and bruising, I am much happier with the results. The new doctor has a new technique that makes...") by [Subtle77](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/4518719-subtle77.html "View Subtle77's Profile")  9 years 10 months ago

 [](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8080289-cymetra.html#1292751163)

###  [Cymetra](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8080289-cymetra.html#1292751163 "Anyone tried or have information on this?

 www.nvpsaz.com/male/cymetra-penis-girth-enhancement/")

  Category: [General Phalloplasty Discussion (2.0 Archive)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive.html "A copy of PhalloBoards 2.0 written content.")
 Topic started 10 years 3 months ago, by [needtogrow4](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/4220496-needtogrow4.html "View needtogrow4's Profile")

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###  [Cymetra](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8080289-cymetra.html#1292796562 "Anyone tried or have information on this?

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###  [Cymetra](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8080289-cymetra.html#1292768487 "Anyone tried or have information on this?

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###  [Cymetra](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8080289-cymetra.html#1292767993 "Anyone tried or have information on this?

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###  [PMMA available in California](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8063147-pmma-available-in-california.html#1293585943 "Hey guys I may be late to the show but thought I would post this as it might help someone. I am not interested in PMMA personally but I know a lot of guys on here are and I found a Dr. in my area who...")

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###  [PMMA available in California](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8063147-pmma-available-in-california.html#1293582928 "Hey guys I may be late to the show but thought I would post this as it might help someone. I am not interested in PMMA personally but I know a lot of guys on here are and I found a Dr. in my area who...")

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###  [PMMA available in California](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8063147-pmma-available-in-california.html#1293583490 "Hey guys I may be late to the show but thought I would post this as it might help someone. I am not interested in PMMA personally but I know a lot of guys on here are and I found a Dr. in my area who...")

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###  [PMMA available in California](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8063147-pmma-available-in-california.html#1293584519 "Hey guys I may be late to the show but thought I would post this as it might help someone. I am not interested in PMMA personally but I know a lot of guys on here are and I found a Dr. in my area who...")

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###  [PMMA available in California](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8063147-pmma-available-in-california.html#1293586065 "Hey guys I may be late to the show but thought I would post this as it might help someone. I am not interested in PMMA personally but I know a lot of guys on here are and I found a Dr. in my area who...")

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###  [PMMA available in California](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8063147-pmma-available-in-california.html#1293586369 "Hey guys I may be late to the show but thought I would post this as it might help someone. I am not interested in PMMA personally but I know a lot of guys on here are and I found a Dr. in my area who...")

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###  [PMMA available in California](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8063147-pmma-available-in-california.html#1293586377 "Hey guys I may be late to the show but thought I would post this as it might help someone. I am not interested in PMMA personally but I know a lot of guys on here are and I found a Dr. in my area who...")

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###  [PMMA available in California](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8063147-pmma-available-in-california.html#1293582808 "Hey guys I may be late to the show but thought I would post this as it might help someone. I am not interested in PMMA personally but I know a lot of guys on here are and I found a Dr. in my area who...")

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###  [An aussie guy with a little doodle - PMMA with Dr C](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/patient-support-group-progress-reports/7998445-an-aussie-guy-with-a-little-doodle-pmma-with-dr-c.html?start=30#1291796366 "Long time lurker, first time poster.

I am sitting in a hotel in San Diego and tomorrow I go visit Dr.C

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I recently got out of rehab for Alcohol addiction and I am in the best shape I have ever been with Boxing and going to the Gym, I was on TRT for a while in my late 20s but...") by [chubbabun21](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/3082014-chubbabun21.html "View chubbabun21's Profile")  6 months 2 weeks ago

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###  [Smalljay's PMMA/Hyaluronic Acid consideration and log](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/patient-support-group-progress-reports/8055782-smalljays-pmma-hyaluronic-acid-consideration-and-log.html?start=15#1291773843 "Hey SmallJay - I don\'t have much to add as I am way to new to it. What I can tell you is that it is very natural feeling. I have no idea how long they last - I have 3 different brands in me - all HA....")

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