--- title: "Zayne's PMMA - PhalloBoards - Phalloboards" description: "Hi All, I want to thank Hoddle, Smartman, Mustange, Messageman, Sizemic, and Carlos for the help in understanding aspects of the PMMA procedure. Last Thursday,..." url: "https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/patient-support-group-progress-reports/5722046-zaynes-pmma.html" date: "2026-08-07T20:25:16+00:00" language: "en-GB" --- PhalloBoards - An Online Community to Discuss Penile Girth Enhancement General Forum Doctors Forum Username Password Remember me - [ Forgot your password? ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/component/users/reset.html?Itemid=101) - [ Forgot your username? ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/component/users/remind.html?Itemid=101) - [ Create an account ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) # TOPIC: Zayne's PMMA ## Zayne's PMMA 14 years 5 months ago [\#1272364935](#1272364935) - **[zayne](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1843574-zayne.html "View zayne's Profile")** - [![zayne's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1843574-zayne.html "View zayne's Profile") Topic Author - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1843574-zayne.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 127 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1843574) Hi All, I want to thank Hoddle, Smartman, Mustange, Messageman, Sizemic, and Carlos for the help in understanding aspects of the PMMA procedure. Last Thursday, 2/16, I had the injections of PMMA with Dr. C in TJ. I live in LA, so I just drove down Wednesday evening and returned home on Saturday. It was a nice way to enjoy some authentic Mexican food and thicken my penis. PrePMMA: EBG and MSEG were both 5.0-5.1" Day 1:EBG 6.25 and MSEG 6.0 (Afternoon/Evening) Day2 and3: EBG 6.1 and MSEG 6.0 (Morning) Day4: EBG 6.0 and MSEG 5.75 (Morning) Day5: EBG 5.8-6 and MSEG 5.5 (night) Day6: EBG 5.9 and MSEG 5.5 (Morn) Day7 (today) : EBG 5.9-6.0 and MSEG 5.5 (Morn) I received 10% and 20 cc's (I need to verify the cc-amount again). I haven't felt any BB's. I have a lump/ridge (?) on one side a the base of the penis. I had a completely bruised purple penis which has now returned to its original color. There is puffy build up of fluid (?) under the glans, but it evens out when I get Erect. One unexpected outcome which I hope lasts is that the ugly spider veins I had acquired from over-pumping (just 3-4 times!) now seem muted and vaguely apparent. I loved the Girth I had at EBG 6 and MSEG6, but now I am watching in disappointment as the gains of swelling disappear. I hope my loss levels now or very soon at least. I will probably follow-up with a second round, but I will ask for 20% if I do. 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Keep us updated.... MM Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9nZW5lcmFsLWZvcnVtL3BhdGllbnQtc3VwcG9ydC1ncm91cC1wcm9ncmVzcy1yZXBvcnRzLzU3MjIwNDYtemF5bmVzLXBtbWEuaHRtbD9tYXJrZG93bj0x) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: Zayne's PMMA 14 years 5 months ago [\#1272405067](#1272405067) - **[zayne](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1843574-zayne.html "View zayne's Profile")** - [![zayne's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1843574-zayne.html "View zayne's Profile") Topic Author - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1843574-zayne.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 127 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1843574) I was actually able to massage down the lump at base at 5 days post-procedure. Wade had mentioned that the material is still pliable days later, so I gave it a try, and it work. I have noticed that that length is a tricky measure, with a lot of variables, making it difficult to measure and compare apples to apples with my original length. However, even if the length were exactly the same, my penis would look shorter, and does. Just like thinner people give a taller impression, so do cocks. I have it on advisement by a veteran member of PMMA to resist measuring daily, but I haven't been able to comply. No major drops yet since last checked. I am trying to decide how big I want to go. I enjoy the illusion of length that a more svelte penis projects and I don't want to alienate my target market -- Asian women, pre-child-birthed -- with something too incredible. Still, I might change my mind, and want 6". Any thoughts or insights on that? 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It is certainly more bulky, and I like the feel of it. I'm hoping Dr. C can work with the irregularities. I'd like a natural, more uniform-looking MSEG 6". Suggestions, comments, questions are welcome ! 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A 2nd round can fill behind the glans and will give you a smooth transaction to the base... 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I had it behind the glans in R1, but it migrated into the ring. Can it be tried a second time? I don't know of any alternative strategy. Dr. C. knows better than I! 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A month ago tomorrow, and I am holding at MS 5.75". My injection sites are invisible to me, hiding among the ingrown hairs. Following this R1, I have a small marble of clump beneath the glans on one side. I will wait past 6-weeks mark, maybe til 12-weeks mark, to notice if it subsides any before evaluating with Dr. C if Kenalog is reasonable option. I was contemplating the extra time anyway because my goal is MS 5.75 to MS 5.87 -- ideally, and I want to get a decent impression of my R1 gains before making repairs or fueling at the pump. PMMA so far, in my opinion, has few downsides. Lumpiness and ridging is fine until it makes the penis identifiably enhanced. How to get enough gains without going over too much in the process? (percentages? cc's?) Also, I wish I could settle my fear that vigorous physical exercise (weighlifting, running, etc.) will sabotage my collagen growth activity, so I walk a lot, eat very healthy, and avoid alcohol. I am closing in on age 39. I currently take Vitamin C and a 'Hair, Skin, and Nails' supplement, which, if nothing else, requires me to drink a lot of water. My nails are glowing, too! 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It is certainly more bulky, and I like the feel of it. > > I'm hoping Dr. C can work with the irregularities. I'd like a natural, more uniform-looking MSEG 6". > > Suggestions, comments, questions are welcome ! Hi Zane! Thank you for including me as a friend in his post. Other phallobrothers commented on in their treatment, are better prepared to opine on PMMA than I, look to exchange information with them. What I can say is that whatever is done on the penis it is important to note when EQ = erectile quality (but not to a disturbance diso) relaxation is important! Congratulations I see your thread in PMMA is going very well. And Dr. C has proved to be a good professional for many of this forum. My suggestion is: The look is very natural, an aesthetic balance is also very important and seems to be the preference of the female audience! LOL Observe that your glans is well expanded (the sign that is going well), and the females like it! And follow the recommendations of your doctor and seek to eat well because your body should now be in the process of healing. Send these photos to a Zane-Girl you have in mind, so the healing process over and put his new tool in the activity. This is my vote!! 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I agree that women, at least the ones that I've been with, tend to notice aspects such as pubic hair, Balls, etc. which have litlle to do with the function of the penis. I agree we must take into account that women can regard highly features of the penis other than size alone. 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OUT!!!!! 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Girth measurements are pretty much equal to Day 6's, with base irregularities gone maybe, and circ scar inflation present but subsided a little. I will post pics at 6 weeks for comparing. Best to all in their PE pursuits! 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Do you have a 6 weeks measurements? 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