--- title: "HA New Tissue Growth - PhalloBoards - Phalloboards" description: "Do you get any permanent gains at all from HA long term? Or will you go back to your original size after say you had 3 rounds? Thanks I can't find any topics on this" url: "https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/9656758-ha-new-tissue-growth.html" date: "2026-08-06T12:12:19+00:00" language: "en-GB" --- PhalloBoards - An Online Community to Discuss Penile Girth Enhancement General Forum Doctors Forum Username Password Remember me - [ Forgot your password? ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/component/users/reset.html?Itemid=101) - [ Forgot your username? ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/component/users/remind.html?Itemid=101) - [ Create an account ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) # TOPIC: HA New Tissue Growth ## Re: HA New Tissue Growth 8 years 5 months ago [\#1303316740](#1303316740) - **[Carnivorous](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/5816672-carnivorous.html "View Carnivorous's Profile")** - [![Carnivorous's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/5816672-carnivorous.html "View Carnivorous's Profile") Topic Author - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/5816672-carnivorous.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 15 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=5816672) So 3% total gain or 3% of the 20? In other words if 20% was and Inch, you'd gain 3% if the Inch? Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9nZW5lcmFsLWZvcnVtL2dlbmVyYWwtcGhhbGxvcGxhc3R5LWRpc2N1c3Npb24tYXJjaGl2ZS85NjU2NzU4LWhhLW5ldy10aXNzdWUtZ3Jvd3RoLmh0bWw/bWFya2Rvd249MQ==) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: HA New Tissue Growth 8 years 5 months ago [\#1303316755](#1303316755) - **[Carnivorous](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/5816672-carnivorous.html "View Carnivorous's Profile")** - [![Carnivorous's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/5816672-carnivorous.html "View Carnivorous's Profile") Topic Author - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/5816672-carnivorous.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 15 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=5816672) If total gain is 3% than aftersay 5 years of injecting every year you should have a 15% gain? Pretty good if true Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9nZW5lcmFsLWZvcnVtL2dlbmVyYWwtcGhhbGxvcGxhc3R5LWRpc2N1c3Npb24tYXJjaGl2ZS85NjU2NzU4LWhhLW5ldy10aXNzdWUtZ3Jvd3RoLmh0bWw/bWFya2Rvd249MQ==) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: HA New Tissue Growth 8 years 5 months ago [\#1303316541](#1303316541) - **[think](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/5799362-think.html "View think's Profile")** - [![think's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/avatars/resized/size144/users/avatar5799362.png?1575050907)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/5799362-think.html "View think's Profile") - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/5799362-think.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 338 - Thanks: 13 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=5799362) > Prince_A wrote: The reason why they prefer CaHa because of the 3% retention of the original 20 % gain per Ian Garcia at Avanti Derma. > In other words the final total permanent gain is 3 % of the original shot gain. Thanks for that info! Did they say anything about the relative firmness when Erect? 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Any permanent gains? Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9nZW5lcmFsLWZvcnVtL2dlbmVyYWwtcGhhbGxvcGxhc3R5LWRpc2N1c3Npb24tYXJjaGl2ZS85NjU2NzU4LWhhLW5ldy10aXNzdWUtZ3Jvd3RoLmh0bWw/bWFya2Rvd249MQ==) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: HA New Tissue Growth 8 years 5 months ago [\#1303315007](#1303315007) - **[Prince\_A](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/5808162-prince-a.html "View Prince_A's Profile")** - [![Prince_A's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/5808162-prince-a.html "View Prince_A's Profile") - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/5808162-prince-a.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 51 - Thanks: 1 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=5808162) > think wrote: I don't think there's any evidence for it, or that you will find reports from guys who have repeated it over long enough periods of time. > > Avanti Derma seemed to favor CaHA over HA, but I don't think they said why. See the descriptions on their site. About CaHA they say: > > "While they are in the tissues, the micro-spheres get surrounded by the patient's collagen" > > Not sure if that's why the prefer it? Some guys here had it, but again I don't think you'll find any evidence either way ... wish there was someone good in the U.S. offering Ellanse. The reason why they prefer CaHa because of the 3% retention of the original 20 % gain per Ian Garcia at Avanti Derma. In other words the final total permanent gain is 3 % of the original shot gain. Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9nZW5lcmFsLWZvcnVtL2dlbmVyYWwtcGhhbGxvcGxhc3R5LWRpc2N1c3Npb24tYXJjaGl2ZS85NjU2NzU4LWhhLW5ldy10aXNzdWUtZ3Jvd3RoLmh0bWw/bWFya2Rvd249MQ==) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: HA New Tissue Growth 8 years 5 months ago [\#1303314516](#1303314516) - **[think](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/5799362-think.html "View think's Profile")** - [![think's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/avatars/resized/size144/users/avatar5799362.png?1575050907)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/5799362-think.html "View think's Profile") - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/5799362-think.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 338 - Thanks: 13 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=5799362) I don't think there's any evidence for it, or that you will find reports from guys who have repeated it over long enough periods of time. Avanti Derma seemed to favor CaHA over HA, but I don't think they said why. See the descriptions on their site. About CaHA they say: "While they are in the tissues, the micro-spheres get surrounded by the patient's collagen" Not sure if that's why the prefer it? Some guys here had it, but again I don't think you'll find any evidence either way ... wish there was someone good in the U.S. offering Ellanse. Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9nZW5lcmFsLWZvcnVtL2dlbmVyYWwtcGhhbGxvcGxhc3R5LWRpc2N1c3Npb24tYXJjaGl2ZS85NjU2NzU4LWhhLW5ldy10aXNzdWUtZ3Jvd3RoLmh0bWw/bWFya2Rvd249MQ==) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: HA New Tissue Growth 8 years 5 months ago [\#1303317332](#1303317332) - **[Prince\_A](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/5808162-prince-a.html "View Prince_A's Profile")** - [![Prince_A's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/5808162-prince-a.html "View Prince_A's Profile") - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/5808162-prince-a.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 51 - Thanks: 1 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=5808162) > Carnivorous wrote: So 3% total gain or 3% of the 20? In other words if 20% was and Inch, you'd gain 3% if the Inch? My understanding out of 20 % initial gain you left off with 3 % eventually. If I was you I would contact Avanti Derma again to confirm Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9nZW5lcmFsLWZvcnVtL2dlbmVyYWwtcGhhbGxvcGxhc3R5LWRpc2N1c3Npb24tYXJjaGl2ZS85NjU2NzU4LWhhLW5ldy10aXNzdWUtZ3Jvd3RoLmh0bWw/bWFya2Rvd249MQ==) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: HA New Tissue Growth 8 years 5 months ago [\#1303300955](#1303300955) - **[naginati](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/4881541-naginati.html "View naginati's Profile")** - [![naginati's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/4881541-naginati.html "View naginati's Profile") - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/4881541-naginati.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 636 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=4881541) Na, it's a load of bollox, otherwise we would all be doing it. Androfill lie like fuck. They all do. But they do it the most. Next to Elist of course. Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9nZW5lcmFsLWZvcnVtL2dlbmVyYWwtcGhhbGxvcGxhc3R5LWRpc2N1c3Npb24tYXJjaGl2ZS85NjU2NzU4LWhhLW5ldy10aXNzdWUtZ3Jvd3RoLmh0bWw/bWFya2Rvd249MQ==) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## HA New Tissue Growth 8 years 5 months ago [\#1303299956](#1303299956) - **[Carnivorous](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/5816672-carnivorous.html "View Carnivorous's Profile")** - [![Carnivorous's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/5816672-carnivorous.html "View Carnivorous's Profile") Topic Author - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/5816672-carnivorous.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 15 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=5816672) Do you get any permanent gains at all from HA long term? Or will you go back to your original size after say you had 3 rounds? Thanks I can't find any topics on this Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9nZW5lcmFsLWZvcnVtL2dlbmVyYWwtcGhhbGxvcGxhc3R5LWRpc2N1c3Npb24tYXJjaGl2ZS85NjU2NzU4LWhhLW5ldy10aXNzdWUtZ3Jvd3RoLmh0bWw/bWFya2Rvd249MQ==) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: HA New Tissue Growth 8 years 5 months ago [\#1303299971](#1303299971) - **[Carnivorous](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/5816672-carnivorous.html "View Carnivorous's Profile")** - [![Carnivorous's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/5816672-carnivorous.html "View Carnivorous's Profile") Topic Author - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/5816672-carnivorous.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 15 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=5816672) Androfill website claims up to 50% permanent gains, any truth to this? 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Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9nZW5lcmFsLWZvcnVtL2dlbmVyYWwtcGhhbGxvcGxhc3R5LWRpc2N1c3Npb24tYXJjaGl2ZS85NjU2NzU4LWhhLW5ldy10aXNzdWUtZ3Jvd3RoLmh0bWw/bWFya2Rvd249MQ==) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: HA New Tissue Growth 8 years 5 months ago [\#1303389327](#1303389327) - **[Johnson](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/3349334-johnson.html "View Johnson's Profile")** - [![Johnson's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/3349334-johnson.html "View Johnson's Profile") - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/3349334-johnson.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 41 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=3349334) How do you guys think the new collagen that Ellanse produces feel? Personally I don't think it will contribute to a firm penis Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9nZW5lcmFsLWZvcnVtL2dlbmVyYWwtcGhhbGxvcGxhc3R5LWRpc2N1c3Npb24tYXJjaGl2ZS85NjU2NzU4LWhhLW5ldy10aXNzdWUtZ3Jvd3RoLmh0bWw/bWFya2Rvd249MQ==) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: HA New Tissue Growth 8 years 5 months ago [\#1303392150](#1303392150) - **[Subtle77](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/4518719-subtle77.html "View Subtle77's Profile")** - [![Subtle77's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/4518719-subtle77.html "View Subtle77's Profile") - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/4518719-subtle77.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 36 - Thanks: 5 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=4518719) > Johnson wrote: How do you guys think the new collagen that Ellanse produces feel? Personally I don't think it will contribute to a firm penis I've had it for over a year and it feels really firm to me. Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9nZW5lcmFsLWZvcnVtL2dlbmVyYWwtcGhhbGxvcGxhc3R5LWRpc2N1c3Npb24tYXJjaGl2ZS85NjU2NzU4LWhhLW5ldy10aXNzdWUtZ3Jvd3RoLmh0bWw/bWFya2Rvd249MQ==) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: HA New Tissue Growth 8 years 5 months ago [\#1303392679](#1303392679) - **[chester](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/4437325-chester.html "View chester's Profile")** - [![chester's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/4437325-chester.html "View chester's Profile") - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/4437325-chester.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 808 - Thanks: 11 - - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=4437325) > Johnson wrote: How do you guys think the new collagen that Ellanse produces feel? Personally I don't think it will contribute to a firm penis On what personal basis do you share that sentiment? 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You literally just fly to San Diego and get shuttled there and back. Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9nZW5lcmFsLWZvcnVtL2dlbmVyYWwtcGhhbGxvcGxhc3R5LWRpc2N1c3Npb24tYXJjaGl2ZS85NjU2NzU4LWhhLW5ldy10aXNzdWUtZ3Jvd3RoLmh0bWw/bWFya2Rvd249MQ==) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. 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