--- title: "surgery in the uk - PhalloBoards - Phalloboards" description: "I have been doing some homework on getting surgery in the UK. It seems to me that its not as popular in the UK as the USA ? There are not many clinics or..." url: "https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8429165-surgery-in-the-uk.html" date: "2026-08-06T18:38:32+00:00" language: "en-GB" --- PhalloBoards - An Online Community to Discuss Penile Girth Enhancement General Forum Doctors Forum Username Password Remember me - [ Forgot your password? ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/component/users/reset.html?Itemid=101) - [ Forgot your username? ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/component/users/remind.html?Itemid=101) - [ Create an account ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) # TOPIC: surgery in the uk ## Re: surgery in the uk 9 years 5 months ago [\#1295026980](#1295026980) - **[rustydog](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/4881161-rustydog.html "View rustydog's Profile")** - [![rustydog's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/4881161-rustydog.html "View rustydog's Profile") Topic Author - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/4881161-rustydog.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 13 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=4881161) PRP is platelet rich plasma They take a sample of your blood and take out the platelets from it. The way they described it to me was that this stuff can produce more cells in the penis and add to the length and thickness. Sounds like science fiction to me but I have googled this PRP and its used for lots of other medical needs. Moorgate offer it as a booster to the fat transfer. Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9nZW5lcmFsLWZvcnVtL2dlbmVyYWwtcGhhbGxvcGxhc3R5LWRpc2N1c3Npb24tYXJjaGl2ZS84NDI5MTY1LXN1cmdlcnktaW4tdGhlLXVrLmh0bWw/bWFya2Rvd249MQ==) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: surgery in the uk 9 years 5 months ago [\#1295028774](#1295028774) - **[Mustang2020](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1715850-mustang2020.html "View Mustang2020's Profile")** - [![Mustang2020's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1715850-mustang2020.html "View Mustang2020's Profile") - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1715850-mustang2020.html) - Moderator - ![Moderator](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rankmod.gif) - Posts: 1795 - Thanks: 18 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1715850) Up to now, there has never being a documented case of LENGTH increase due to "surgery alone". I do not know what this hospital and surgery center has told you about gains in Erect LENGTH! Be extra careful, we have seen many "claimed" increases in Erect length, but so far have seen no proof. If anything, we HAVE seen proof of Shortening of the penis after such surgeries! If you feel otherwise, please share with us, we all want to see actual proof of EL increases due to surgery or even chemical treatment. Understand, I am looking for any proof that shows increases in EL to many patients as we have seen increases in Girth to many patients especially with PMMA. I think educated people are looking for the same. 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Moving fat around the body has been around a long time from what I have researched. I have chosen fat because of its survival rate overall compared to fillers. Yes, you lose some of the fat afterwards, they were very clear about that , but all the evidence suggests it lasts MUCH longer than fillers. Dr Gary Horn , who by all accounts knows a thing or two about penis enlargement judging from this forum, told me that if I wanted a lasting result then I should go with my own fat. He said that I should be prepared for another procedure in the future and not to expect it to last forever. At the end of day they did give me a choice, moorgate, were not pushy one way or the other. They offered me both filler and fat transfer. Also, most clinics that I found in the UK ( not that there are many ) offer fat transfer , they can't all be wrong. Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9nZW5lcmFsLWZvcnVtL2dlbmVyYWwtcGhhbGxvcGxhc3R5LWRpc2N1c3Npb24tYXJjaGl2ZS84NDI5MTY1LXN1cmdlcnktaW4tdGhlLXVrLmh0bWw/bWFya2Rvd249MQ==) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: surgery in the uk 9 years 5 months ago [\#1295092030](#1295092030) - **[sg0123456](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1981198-sg0123456.html "View sg0123456's Profile")** - [![sg0123456's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1981198-sg0123456.html "View sg0123456's Profile") - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1981198-sg0123456.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 47 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1981198) From everything I have read I would never do fat transfer, i cant think why anyone would chose that over HA like voluma which is much safer, predictable and easy to correct. Unless your main priority is to loose fat from the rest of your body. Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9nZW5lcmFsLWZvcnVtL2dlbmVyYWwtcGhhbGxvcGxhc3R5LWRpc2N1c3Npb24tYXJjaGl2ZS84NDI5MTY1LXN1cmdlcnktaW4tdGhlLXVrLmh0bWw/bWFya2Rvd249MQ==) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: surgery in the uk 9 years 5 months ago [\#1294965566](#1294965566) - **[rustydog](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/4881161-rustydog.html "View rustydog's Profile")** - [![rustydog's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/4881161-rustydog.html "View rustydog's Profile") Topic Author - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/4881161-rustydog.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 13 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=4881161) Thanks I will take a look at them. I have a couple of consultations booked. One with Moorgate. and another with London andrology. 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They also said it's a must for a while just after the op These people give it to you straight No BS Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9nZW5lcmFsLWZvcnVtL2dlbmVyYWwtcGhhbGxvcGxhc3R5LWRpc2N1c3Npb24tYXJjaGl2ZS84NDI5MTY1LXN1cmdlcnktaW4tdGhlLXVrLmh0bWw/bWFya2Rvd249MQ==) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: surgery in the uk 9 years 5 months ago [\#1295025741](#1295025741) - **[rustydog](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/4881161-rustydog.html "View rustydog's Profile")** - [![rustydog's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/4881161-rustydog.html "View rustydog's Profile") Topic Author - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/4881161-rustydog.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 13 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=4881161) Interesting week. I have had consultations for penis enlargement surgery ( length and Girth ) and much of what I have been told is consistent between Doctors and clinics. That's reassured me. All seem to offer pretty much the same surgery. There are better ways to transfer fat nowadays apparently , with less absorption. I am also going for the PRP which can be done at the same time. Its a bit more cost but I don't see any point in holding back while I am there. I am nervous but confident enough. After much thought I have gone with Moorgate Urology, but it was a close call. They sent me a load of information after the consultation , some of it very scary ....full of stuff that can go wrong when you have an operation. In some ways I liked that as they don't hide the potentially bad from the good. I had blood, urine and swab tests done after seeing the Doctor , again this gave me confidence that they take it as seriously as I do. There was no pressure either and their people were friendly and down to earth. The only downside was that they have pretty girls on reception when you go in , and that unnerved me a bit as I dreaded the thought that they knew what I was there for. A bit like going to the chemist for the first time for you know what. When I got to the people that really matter though they were all guys. The hospital is also very impressive, and I was glad that I got the chance to see where it would be done. There were quite a few guys in the waiting room and you cant help wonder if they were there fir the same thing. From what I could see they are not short of customers ! Just looking forward to getting it done now Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9nZW5lcmFsLWZvcnVtL2dlbmVyYWwtcGhhbGxvcGxhc3R5LWRpc2N1c3Npb24tYXJjaGl2ZS84NDI5MTY1LXN1cmdlcnktaW4tdGhlLXVrLmh0bWw/bWFya2Rvd249MQ==) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: surgery in the uk 9 years 5 months ago [\#1295026264](#1295026264) - **[sg0123456](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1981198-sg0123456.html "View sg0123456's Profile")** - [![sg0123456's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1981198-sg0123456.html "View sg0123456's Profile") - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1981198-sg0123456.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 47 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1981198) Whats PRP?? Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9nZW5lcmFsLWZvcnVtL2dlbmVyYWwtcGhhbGxvcGxhc3R5LWRpc2N1c3Npb24tYXJjaGl2ZS84NDI5MTY1LXN1cmdlcnktaW4tdGhlLXVrLmh0bWw/bWFya2Rvd249MQ==) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: surgery in the uk 9 years 5 months ago [\#1295033959](#1295033959) - **[RogerA](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/4891587-rogera.html "View RogerA's Profile")** - [![RogerA's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/4891587-rogera.html "View RogerA's Profile") - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/4891587-rogera.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 2 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=4891587) must agree after speaking to Moorgate who explained Gary Horn would be my surgeon if I decided to look at surgery all most always goes with the fat transfer whilst he is doing the length double whammy! I was also told this would last longer than any filler if I had the available fat but I may need a top up operation in the future its all a lot of contradictions for new patients like myself Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9nZW5lcmFsLWZvcnVtL2dlbmVyYWwtcGhhbGxvcGxhc3R5LWRpc2N1c3Npb24tYXJjaGl2ZS84NDI5MTY1LXN1cmdlcnktaW4tdGhlLXVrLmh0bWw/bWFya2Rvd249MQ==) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: surgery in the uk 9 years 5 months ago [\#1294968453](#1294968453) - **[rustydog](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/4881161-rustydog.html "View rustydog's Profile")** - [![rustydog's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/4881161-rustydog.html "View rustydog's Profile") Topic Author - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/4881161-rustydog.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 13 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=4881161) Thanks I will let you know. I am torn between the injections and the fat transfer. The fat lasts longer but its surgery. The only thing putting me off the injections is the cost of top ups. Both the MoorgateClinic and London Andrology look like they offer both so hopefully I can finally decide. I certainly want the length doing and that is definitely surgery to get the ligament cut. Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9nZW5lcmFsLWZvcnVtL2dlbmVyYWwtcGhhbGxvcGxhc3R5LWRpc2N1c3Npb24tYXJjaGl2ZS84NDI5MTY1LXN1cmdlcnktaW4tdGhlLXVrLmh0bWw/bWFya2Rvd249MQ==) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: surgery in the uk 9 years 5 months ago [\#1294967695](#1294967695) - **[tucker](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/4881298-tucker.html "View tucker's Profile")** - [![tucker's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/4881298-tucker.html "View tucker's Profile") - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/4881298-tucker.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 1 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=4881298) Wow, i have just seen the TV documentary on that Moorgate clinic website, funny but very good , i'm glad I've seen it, given me a good insight into what's expected with the enlargement procedure!! i am really thinking about having the surgery, but i might try the injections first, let us know how you get on rustydog Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9nZW5lcmFsLWZvcnVtL2dlbmVyYWwtcGhhbGxvcGxhc3R5LWRpc2N1c3Npb24tYXJjaGl2ZS84NDI5MTY1LXN1cmdlcnktaW4tdGhlLXVrLmh0bWw/bWFya2Rvd249MQ==) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: surgery in the uk 9 years 5 months ago [\#1294961843](#1294961843) - **[dinogoesrawr](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/4787932-dinogoesrawr.html "View dinogoesrawr's Profile")** - [![dinogoesrawr's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/4787932-dinogoesrawr.html "View dinogoesrawr's Profile") - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/4787932-dinogoesrawr.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 105 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=4787932) Check Androfill on google. They are London based. Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9nZW5lcmFsLWZvcnVtL2dlbmVyYWwtcGhhbGxvcGxhc3R5LWRpc2N1c3Npb24tYXJjaGl2ZS84NDI5MTY1LXN1cmdlcnktaW4tdGhlLXVrLmh0bWw/bWFya2Rvd249MQ==) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: surgery in the uk 9 years 5 months ago [\#1295033783](#1295033783) - **[Reklaw](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/4324840-reklaw.html "View Reklaw's Profile")** - [![Reklaw's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/4324840-reklaw.html "View Reklaw's Profile") - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/4324840-reklaw.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 1361 - Thanks: 3 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=4324840) It doesn't matter if they give it to you straight, they offer fat injection Fat injection doesn't work no matter who offers it. 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I checked and its definitely an outfit called London Andrology, but Dr Horn is not with them. He seems to work with Androfill and Moorgate clinic from what I have gathered. Much of what I have read and heard is that fat lasts longer than the HA filler ( allowing for some absorption of the fat soon after ) I have ruled out a permanent filler as I don't like the sound of that. Anyway, I have consultations coming up so it will be interesting to see what they say Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9nZW5lcmFsLWZvcnVtL2dlbmVyYWwtcGhhbGxvcGxhc3R5LWRpc2N1c3Npb24tYXJjaGl2ZS84NDI5MTY1LXN1cmdlcnktaW4tdGhlLXVrLmh0bWw/bWFya2Rvd249MQ==) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: surgery in the uk 9 years 5 months ago [\#1294972880](#1294972880) - **[Dexterphall](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/4011127-dexterphall.html "View Dexterphall's Profile")** - [![Dexterphall's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/4011127-dexterphall.html "View Dexterphall's Profile") - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/4011127-dexterphall.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 354 - Thanks: 3 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=4011127) Honestly the length surgery is so overrated. There's often cases people loose length, it can be a disaster. I would really do your research, carefully, very carefully. Pretty sure fat transfer does NOT last longer than HA for example and certainly not as long as PMMA as that's basically permanent but not without it's potential issues as well. Not sure who London Andrology are, do you mean London Androfill with Dr Horn? If so that's who I used and a few others on the forum have used. Good luck with whatever you do but I would seriously reconsider the lig cutting . Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9nZW5lcmFsLWZvcnVtL2dlbmVyYWwtcGhhbGxvcGxhc3R5LWRpc2N1c3Npb24tYXJjaGl2ZS84NDI5MTY1LXN1cmdlcnktaW4tdGhlLXVrLmh0bWw/bWFya2Rvd249MQ==) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. 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