TOPIC: Restylane or Juvederm Voluma?

Hoddle10. I very much believe the last sentence in your previous post. Which fillers cause the scar tissue? So far, I understand that only PMMA does but I'm scared to death of having my member de-gloved should things go wrong.

But as the name of the thread goes, you would recommend which, Restylane or voluma ...

They appear to be in Australia, NZ and ZA.

If it was based in China I would totally believe But it seems that someone would go after them (legally) especially if they are operating in countries that have trade laws. They are showing photos of a Juvederm boxed on their pages.

Not to say that the internet is not fake, but seems like a lawsuit waiting to happen.

Regardless of the actual cost now, I do believe it has to come down for HA to be mainstream, no different than the bottleneck (cost) of Li-ion batteries for Electric vehicles.

Most people don't have enough money to enlarge their penis, At least looking at the median income in the USA, and assuming it will cost 6,000 usd/yr to maintain the HA. That's too much for most people, so that's a huge number of male clients priced out of the market.

Add HA to car payments, mortgage, kids, Heath insurance etc. There's not enough money left.

But I'm also assuming some Dr's have the vision to "go big" doing tens of thousands of patients/yr. which is possible if it only takes 30-1hr of time. 1 doctor could easily do 5,000 patients in a year assuming 3 per day and six weeks off a year. LOL.

If the costs can do down it will be just as profitable just a lot more revenue. There's operating cost in all legitimate businesses so I don't think that's the main factor. Manufacturing is brutal where capital equipment cost are extreme but they are mandatory and where a 20% profit margin would be considered stellar.

HA injections are profitable, but the cost needs to go down to get the number of patients up.

Good post aleksk... a lot of interesting variables to discuss. The article you requested is here.

docdro.id/IMBs0fO

I am gonna read it a little later. It looks interesting. Dr. Oates and a few others seem to like voluma the best for the penis, and this does last the longest for sure (2 years roughly) whereas belotero and restylane may only last year at best (belotero is even shorter sometimes, as it is very thin and often placed right in the dermis, not below). I remember Dr. Oates saying something about the thickness of voluma being a good thing for the penis... i forgot the context now. I'll have to find it.

We do inject under the circ scar. But it does have higher risk for looking slightly lumpy, especially if not massaged. So using a slightly less cohesive and softer filler like plain Juve or Volift (another made by the Juvederm group but slightly softer) may be the best answer towards the glans.

I posed a question in the poll section a while ago about doing radiesse augmentation but not too many people replied. I used the real prices of the product and what I estimated you'd gain from those prices. Some people would do it I guess... but it's a small poll and on a PE website. In the general population, I think what dirk digler said is what I agree with...who can afford it after everything else? It's a luxury like plastic surgery - and it's far easier for the filler manufacturers just to let people do it off-label. phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/poll/pol...d=28192&forum=198401

The counterfeit fillers you see are no different than the counterfeit viagra or designer watches or purses. People in the counterfeit business know what they are doing. Their servers are well hidden (think Pirate Bay) and making a box look like it's the real restylane isn't that hard. The stuff inside is probably sterile too, but is it restylane? No. It might even be HA of lower quality, not cross-linked, or who knows. I've just been told by people at Merz AND Allergan that there is no second hand distribution anywhere in the world. Allergan (Juvederm manufacturer) is so nuts that they wouldn't even talk to me until I had an account set up and was verified to work in an MD's office (which I don't - but my friend just set up the account for me). So, how is their product going to get out there so easily? They won't ship anywhere but an MD's office, and neither will Merz (Radiesse mfr)

So I read that article aleksk... I don't know what to make of it. It's like they took 8 pages to say that thicker fillers with a higher g' are harder to inject...and likely slower to break down. Did I miss anything else useful in there?

Dr Oates wrote: With all the guys we have done with HA, no one has complained about the feel of HA with an Erection, it is pretty much normal.

I think I recall you saying in another thread that it is often difficult to follow up with some patients because they don't wish to be contacted. Can you give us an estimate on the number of patients you've had positive feedback from on the Erection quality? There was at least some negative feedback from the korean study of 40 something patients including partners--any chance it may have something to do with Restylane sub-q vs juvederm in your opinion?

Thanks,
LL

Thank you aleksk. You really bring a lot of valuable information to the board. When is your appointment with Dr. Oates. I hope you will keep us informed.

OK, I see what they meant--the satisfaction rate was 4 for the size retention at 6 and 18 months, the total satisfaction of patients and partners being less (3.x) was due to the lack of total rigidity. Also they say in the summary:

Considering the property of the materials, methods, and follow-up results of 18 months, PGE by injection of filler is not the best procedure, but its advantages over other techniques are less invasiveness, tolerable efficacy, and safety with rare complications from the proven properties of HA gels. PGE with filler can be done easily with a little experience and might be the better option until future development of an ideal technique. Proper patient selection and lack of total rigidity with corpus cavernosum are the limitations of this technique.

So to answer my question (should I do this) I'd need to sleep with at least a few women with my rock hard 4.6 EG then the same women with my "not totally rigid" 5.3 EG! Only guys who have had it done can give us a clue.

Cheers,
LL