TOPIC: Muhammed Mirza VS Elliot Heller

HA absorb after 6 months so you technically don't have to worry.

He did not quantify the gains. Yes, he uses a cannula. At least 1 week before sex.

I'm anxious about the procedure actually... I have been psyching myself out by reading a bunch of journal articles that relate to Hyaluronic Acid penile enlargements. This is without a doubt probably the safest procedure (no way am I touching PMMA) possible for to increase the Girth, but I'm just so scared. What if 2 years down the line I suddenly get a granuloma or skin Necrosis?

How do you guys cope with the risk so much? If I was already 5" Girth....I would think probably 5 times harder about doing this procedure. For me, being 4.3" Girth is really a stinger and so that's why I'm even considering this in the first place.

I'm trying to hedge my risks and really come up with a backup plan in case something bad does happen afterwards (contacting urologists, heller, etc).

10003 wrote: There is a list of his services and prices someplace on this board. You need to do a search and you will find.

You were just there. Prices change pretty frequently.

OmeGa 5 705 wrote: @numbers22

They gave me a book with pictures of previous procedures, but I think it's basically the ones he put on his website with a few that aren't on there. They were mostly fat harvesting procedures though with some implants one. He did point out one procedure for Restylane, in which the patient actually came back 2 more times (so 3 visits in total) to get a 75% increase in Girth. I'm not sure how accurate that is though, but it was quite believable just from looking at the picture. I actually was stupid and forgot to ask (quantitatively) how many procedures he has done. He has definitely done a lot, but I have no idea the exact amount.


You have all brought up a good point about the juvederm and Restylane question. I did ask him why he preferred Restylane over juvederm, but he just said he saw better results with it as juvederm is thicker. I'll definitely give the clinic a call though -price isn't an issue for me, so I definitely will go with what seems best.

Anything else you guys recommend doing? I'm going to do the procedure soon. Will not say the exact date because I don't people to be able to identify me. I will absolutely post the results here though.

How much of a gain did he say you could expect? He uses a cannula? How long before sex?

Juvederm is an umbrella brand as is Restylane. It really depends on which specific version he uses. Juvederm Voluma is considered the best for deep tissue and is firmer. Restylane has a much shorter shelf life and the thickest version is less thick than Juvederm Voulma. At some point it is also going to matter what it feels like under your skin. Most doctors that do PE with HA go for Juvederm Voulma which is considered the standard. Also as dr. Oates said, there is less hyaluronidase in the penis, which is what dissolves the HA over time and is naturally occuring - it is also what they inject when they dissolve this stuff. I believe Oates said he has found the thicker stuff like J.V. can last up to 2 years. I suppose the same is true for Restylane.

Lumping has more to do with bad technique than the actual product used if you are talking about HA. I have seen some good HA dicks with Juvederm and some not so good ones - it has a lot to do with the injector.

Necrosis is only going to happen if he uses a needle and enters a vein and does not have hyaluronidase on hand to dissolve it immediately. you are not going to get that from a cannula - but if you are this nervousI would wait and think about what you are doing and do more research in the meantime. I would also ask what gains he thinks he can get you with 10CC's. It also has to do with the length of your Dick obviously.

10003 wrote: Juvederm is an umbrella brand as is Restylane. It really depends on which specific version he uses. Juvederm Voluma is considered the best for deep tissue and is firmer. Restylane has a much shorter shelf life and the thickest version is less thick than Juvederm Voulma. At some point it is also going to matter what it feels like under your skin. Most doctors that do PE with HA go for Juvederm Voulma which is considered the standard. Also as dr. Oates said, there is less hyaluronidase in the penis, which is what dissolves the HA over time and is naturally occuring - it is also what they inject when they dissolve this stuff. I believe Oates said he has found the thicker stuff like J.V. can last up to 2 years. I suppose the same is true for Restylane.

Lumping has more to do with bad technique than the actual product used if you are talking about HA. I have seen some good HA dicks with Juvederm and some not so good ones - it has a lot to do with the injector.

Necrosis is only going to happen if he uses a needle and enters a vein and does not have hyaluronidase on hand to dissolve it immediately. you are not going to get that from a cannula - but if you are this nervousI would wait and think about what you are doing and do more research in the meantime. I would also ask what gains he thinks he can get you with 10CC's. It also has to do with the length of your Dick obviously.

I would love to see pictures of HA procedures. I have been able to find none online. Will likely have the procedure done in the fall.

How much is Heller charging?

juvederm is a softer product, restlyane has a tendency to stand up a little more, both last about the same, both can be removed and most dr.'s get better pricing on restlyane, thus they make more money using restlyane and the reps for restlyane are giving lots of free samples to their dr.'s right now and in a procedure like yours it's about the money. in our office we r loving restlyane!

OmeGa 5 705 wrote: Went to the consultation today and in general it was OK. The bad part was that I had to wait an hour even with an appointment.

He was very open to do the HA procedure and said that it was quite common for people to do it. He can use either Juvederm or Restylane, but prefers Restylane.
He recommended going for 10CCs this time, and that I had to wait a month afterwards if I wanted to do even more. He is charging $2300 for 10CC. (thoughts on that?)

I spoke to him about Mirza and he wasn't really even aware of him. He just kind of nodded at everything I told about him about Mirza.

This HA procedure is probably the lowest risk possible out of all the options. I can call him 24/7 to have it dissolved, and if anything is bad it'll go away by itself anyway eventually. That being said, I'm still worried.

Some questions I have to anybody who can answer:
1) He said if possible not to have any kind of aspirin or drink protein shakes one week before the procedure. I get the aspirin but why no protein shakes?
2) Anybody have something to weigh in about Juvederm VS Restylane? (I know Juvederm is more crosslinked and thicker, while Restylane is thinner...would appreciate personal insight)
3) I forgot to ask him about pumping afterwards to spread the product. Is it necessary? I have a bathmate that I use.

Did he show you pictures? About how many procedures does he do weekly? What type of results he think you will get with 10 cc. Does he do the glans? I'm thinking of going very conservative 6-8 cc

Does he have a website that shows his prices. Also I remember him having a Bellafill mix with two fillers.

I say go with Heller. Dr m only does a cc or two at a time and it's very expensive, if you really want to get your money's worth go with Heller. He does 10, and 20 ccs at a time.

Went to the consultation today and in general it was OK. The bad part was that I had to wait an hour even with an appointment.

He was very open to do the HA procedure and said that it was quite common for people to do it. He can use either Juvederm or Restylane, but prefers Restylane.
He recommended going for 10CCs this time, and that I had to wait a month afterwards if I wanted to do even more. He is charging $2300 for 10CC. (thoughts on that?)

I spoke to him about Mirza and he wasn't really even aware of him. He just kind of nodded at everything I told about him about Mirza.

This HA procedure is probably the lowest risk possible out of all the options. I can call him 24/7 to have it dissolved, and if anything is bad it'll go away by itself anyway eventually. That being said, I'm still worried.

Some questions I have to anybody who can answer:
1) He said if possible not to have any kind of aspirin or drink protein shakes one week before the procedure. I get the aspirin but why no protein shakes?
2) Anybody have something to weigh in about Juvederm VS Restylane? (I know Juvederm is more crosslinked and thicker, while Restylane is thinner...would appreciate personal insight)
3) I forgot to ask him about pumping afterwards to spread the product. Is it necessary? I have a bathmate that I use.

Going in for a filler consultation is the thread. Mirza charges $350 for only 1 cc

There is a list of his services and prices someplace on this board. You need to do a search and you will find.

OmeGa 5 705 wrote: He did not quantify the gains. Yes, he uses a cannula. At least 1 week before sex.

I'm anxious about the procedure actually... I have been psyching myself out by reading a bunch of journal articles that relate to Hyaluronic Acid penile enlargements. This is without a doubt probably the safest procedure (no way am I touching PMMA) possible for to increase the Girth, but I'm just so scared. What if 2 years down the line I suddenly get a granuloma or skin Necrosis?

How do you guys cope with the risk so much? If I was already 5" Girth....I would think probably 5 times harder about doing this procedure. For me, being 4.3" Girth is really a stinger and so that's why I'm even considering this in the first place.

I'm trying to hedge my risks and really come up with a backup plan in case something bad does happen afterwards (contacting urologists, heller, etc).

Why would you get skin Necrosis after 2 years?

Also I think granulomas are incredibly rare with HA and even if you got one I wouldn't worry. You can just dissolve it.