--- title: "Really Confused - PhalloBoards - Phalloboards" description: "Hello everyone, It's already years that I am trying to take the decision to do a phalloplasty surgery but because of the price of the surgery and because it's..." url: "https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8142944-really-confused.html" date: "2026-08-07T07:15:19+00:00" language: "en-GB" --- PhalloBoards - An Online Community to Discuss Penile Girth Enhancement General Forum Doctors Forum Username Password Remember me - [ Forgot your password? ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/component/users/reset.html?Itemid=101) - [ Forgot your username? ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/component/users/remind.html?Itemid=101) - [ Create an account ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) # TOPIC: Really Confused ## Re: Really Confused 10 years 1 month ago [\#1292559378](#1292559378) - **[Dexterphall](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/4011127-dexterphall.html "View Dexterphall's Profile")** - [![Dexterphall's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/4011127-dexterphall.html "View Dexterphall's Profile") - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/4011127-dexterphall.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 354 - Thanks: 3 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=4011127) What fat transfer advancements have you seen where the fat isn't absorbed ? I suspect you've been misled, unless you're talking about skin grafts, entirely different thing. 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Forget everything you think you already know about Phalloplasty. If your source of information has been websites like that then it's highly likely that you no nothing about what really works. The only options currently available to enlarge the penis are PMMA and HA. 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Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9nZW5lcmFsLWZvcnVtL2dlbmVyYWwtcGhhbGxvcGxhc3R5LWRpc2N1c3Npb24tYXJjaGl2ZS84MTQyOTQ0LXJlYWxseS1jb25mdXNlZC5odG1sP21hcmtkb3duPTE=) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: Really Confused 10 years 1 month ago [\#1292558911](#1292558911) - **[hoddle10](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1704891-hoddle10.html "View hoddle10's Profile")** - [![hoddle10's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1704891-hoddle10.html "View hoddle10's Profile") - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1704891-hoddle10.html) - Moderator - ![Moderator](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rankmod.gif) - Posts: 3120 - Thanks: 50 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1704891) > Konino wrote: I really think you should go with HA , right now its the safest and the best method with nice results ... Its cost a bit money but if i was you i would prefered safety over price... How many HA results have you actually seen though, let alone felt? Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9nZW5lcmFsLWZvcnVtL2dlbmVyYWwtcGhhbGxvcGxhc3R5LWRpc2N1c3Npb24tYXJjaGl2ZS84MTQyOTQ0LXJlYWxseS1jb25mdXNlZC5odG1sP21hcmtkb3duPTE=) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Really Confused 10 years 1 month ago [\#1292553073](#1292553073) - **[Goan](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/4537895-goan.html "View Goan's Profile")** - [![Goan's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/4537895-goan.html "View Goan's Profile") Topic Author - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/4537895-goan.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 3 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=4537895) Hello everyone, It's already years that I am trying to take the decision to do a phalloplasty surgery but because of the price of the surgery and because it's still a surgery I always waited but I keep taking information. I am quite really confused right now...as far as I understood avoid like pestilence the Dr. Ellis implant because it seems really bad (and I can't understand how he is still operating after so many problems he caused to so many people). I was so much into using Alloderm or something similar but it seems that it also create a lot of problems and I don't want to end up like this [ www.drelist.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/alloderm-c7-4.jpg](http://www.drelist.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/alloderm-c7-4.jpg) The fat tranf...well we know is not that good BUT I red somewhere that with modern technique there is no more reassorption of the fat and so on [ www.deutsches-zentrum-urologie.com/en/pe...enis-thickening.html](http://www.deutsches-zentrum-urologie.com/en/penis-enlargement-surgery-penis-thickening.html) I also red around here about injections....it doesn't seems for me and also isn't permanent....and anyway I will probably not be able to inject something in my penis. So is penis enlargment really a mith? Is there something that will work with really little percent of potential side effects? Thank you for your time and answers. 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I didnt see alot because its not common yet the all HA injections to the penis and all the HA brands still in the diapers... And people dont want to spand alot of money for temporary results , but i hope there be enough bazz around it so people find out something else from PMMA , my opinion is HA with a good brand of course not like macrolane is the best method right now to enhance our Girth and with some nice natural results too not like PMMA its also dissolved but usually people dont use this option because the results are so good , you can see some nice results in dr jayson qates website... 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Its cost a bit money but if i was you i would prefered safety over price... 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Those who are interested will find further reading in Krupp + Rennekampff's standard work, 'Plastische Chirurgie' ('Plastic Surgery'). They refer to the correct use of the patient's own body fat to thicken penises literally as the 'gold standard' (Issue 3 / 2005). Krupp + Rennekampff's work is considered to be 'the standard German-language work on plastic surgery' (Lehmann), or 'the principal work to date' (medizin.de).". What is PE? Is HA permanent? Anyone of you from EU to suggest a good surgeon here or USA is the best choice? 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I do understand that every surgery has a risk factor BUT it seems that there are procedure (like Dr. Ellis implant) that has a way big % of problematic more than other. I also don't think that is true about if it was easy everyone would have it because otherwise all girls should have the boobs of Pamela Anderson. Breast implant right now is quite a common surgery and there are really few cases of post surgery problem (if the surgery was made by a good doctor and not by the neighbourn). So both HA and PMMA aren't permanent? Anyone from Europe that can advise about a famous clinic? Any opinion on the article I posted and quoted? 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Exercises may not work fast, but they work. I've been pumping consistently since February of this year, while consuming a collagen product, and have gained over a half Inch of thickness. 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Look into context when you see "PE" as I often use the latter definition, others may not. 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Bu, "Otolog ya? dokusu transferi" aras?ndaki hayati farktan s'z ediyoruz. tekni?i) ve basit 'ya? dokusu enjeksiyonu' ile ilgilenenler Krupp + Rennekampff'?n 'Plastische Chirurgie' ('Plastik Cerrahi') standart 'al??mas?nda daha fazla okuma bulacaklard?r.Onlar hastan?n kendi v'cut ya??n?n do?ru kullan?m?n? kelimenin tam anlam?yla 'alt?n standart' olarak cezaland?r?l?r (Say? 3/2005). Krupp + Rennekampff'?n 'al??mas? 'plastik cerrahide standart Almanca 'al??ma' (Lehmann) veya 'bug'ne kadarki en 'nemli 'al??ma' olarak kabul edilir (medizin.de ). ". PE nedir? HA kal?c? m?? AB'den herkese burada iyi bir cerrah 'nermek ya da ABD en iyi se'im mi? EDIT TO ADD TRANSLATION: This is the vital difference between "Autologous fat tissue transfer". ) and those who are interested in simple 'fat tissue injection' will find more reading in the standard work of Krupp + Rennekampff's 'Plastische Chirurgie' ('Plastic Surgery'). They will be punished literally as the 'gold standard' for correct use of the patient's own body fat No. 3/2005). Krupp + Rennekampff's work is regarded as 'standard German work in plastic surgery' (Lehmann) or 'the most important work to date' (medizin.de). ". What is PE? HA permanent? Does anyone from the EU offer a good surgeon here or is the USA the best choice? Last edit: by [Dev\_Team](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/456-dev-team.html "View Dev_Team's Profile") Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9nZW5lcmFsLWZvcnVtL2dlbmVyYWwtcGhhbGxvcGxhc3R5LWRpc2N1c3Npb24tYXJjaGl2ZS84MTQyOTQ0LXJlYWxseS1jb25mdXNlZC5odG1sP21hcmtkb3duPTE=) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. 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