--- title: "PMMA Pricing Conversation - PhalloBoards - Phalloboards" description: "This is just to carry on the conversation from Kingpin's progress thread. There are a lot of people that are complaining about the... - Page 2" url: "https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/6617419-pmma-pricing-conversation.html?start=15" date: "2026-08-06T22:28:02+00:00" language: "en-GB" --- PhalloBoards - An Online Community to Discuss Penile Girth Enhancement General Forum Doctors Forum Username Password Remember me - [ Forgot your password? ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/component/users/reset.html?Itemid=101) - [ Forgot your username? ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/component/users/remind.html?Itemid=101) - [ Create an account ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) # TOPIC: PMMA Pricing Conversation ## Re: PMMA Pricing Conversation 12 years 8 months ago [\#1280347472](#1280347472) - **[Skeptical\_One](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1704847-skeptical-one.html "View Skeptical_One's Profile")** - [![Skeptical_One's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/avatars/resized/size144/users/avatar1704847.png?1781856569)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1704847-skeptical-one.html "View Skeptical_One's Profile") - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1704847-skeptical-one.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 4979 - Thanks: 613 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1704847) > SpankAss wrote: > briceb wrote: > dcpimpin12 wrote: Yea but lets face it he dont have a high a demand for the other procedures. most of his patient are for penile enhancement. there might be a few a very few for other procedures. > > > > > > What makes you say he does not have a demand for other procedures? > > If, according to some, this site is responsible for his high demand for penis enlargement, then what did he do before this board got to where it is now? Yep, his other services. > > > ofc course he had other services but not to the demand that PMMA has > > and again i love the fact some of you bash us for having our own opinion or one that is not the same as you just cause we visit the same forum or even because we have had the same surgery done or w/e. > > so I cant think or say I feel his price increase was to drastic? I have to follow what every other forum member who loves him thinks? > > i am not complaining but rather stating my opinion on his business practices and the fact i dont agree with them in full. I agree a price increase based on certain factors is fine but if your doing it purely because you see easy way or taking advantage of the situation when desperate people are willing to pay then I PERSONALLY think that is not morally or ethically wrong. I have never stated he wasnt allowed to do it or that its not a business thing. > > And I def feel some of the price increased is due to his costs going up but I also see the other part which is a huge price increase being put because he saw desperate guys who would pay almost anything so he saw that he could take advantage of the situation and he did and that is def reflected in the huge price increase. > > 3 rds now costs 5500 and you can get other procedures for Girth in the US for 6k now and god forbid something happen down the line because at least in the US we can sue for malpractice. Can we do anything to him in TJ. > > Even if you dont get the case won like some people did against Dr Elitist at least they could try but in TJ they cant. Who knows what PMMA will do in 10 years, who knows anything period as of yet. > > All i am saying is stop complaining that any of us who are complaining and who think a diff opinion on his price increase then you because thats how we feel and only our opinions .... he can do w/e he wants. I am sure that price increase has already lost him alot of business due to the fact not all can afford 5500 and to get only 1 or 2 rounds might not work for some people > > chill out if someone doesnt agree with you or says something they feel about your savior that you dont agree with dont just sit there and tell them there wrong > Mustang2020 wrote: I really think Dr. C is a very caring person (also Nurse Wade and the staff) but that does not mean he will not practice sound business and selfish actions to make more money, heck we all will do that given the opportunity... > > > > I think some of us here need to accept the fact that Dr C is a good guy and he makes a profit doing his business. > > completley agree with you on what you said but at the same time but why cant we disagree with price or state that its to large in a increase and also I can def see its all about money. we have accepted the fact of the increase but doesnt mean we have to like it or agree with it and we def can voice it > > thats all i beleive some of us are saying Complaining that a price increase was too drastic is your own opinion and no one is bashing you for it. But when you insinuate that somehow the doctor is unethical for allowing supply & demand to dictate his pricing for an elective procedure that isn't actually "medically-necessary" just makes you look...well cheap. Oh yea, this is something you've admitted to, so it doubles the perceived bashing. I personally loathe the proudly cheap. There is a difference between being frugal, and being dirt cheap. Being frugal tends to mean someone has a tight budget/income OR possesses wealth but lives a financially conservative lifestyle (both make sense). Being cheap, on the other hand, is typically having money but cutting corners in all the wrong places (e.g. poor tipping), making outrageous price negotiations (I used to work in retail, your counter-offer shouldn't be less than what I paid to buy the product at wholesale), complaining about price increases despite the price itself still being relatively less than all its competitors, etc. That kind of mentality, in my opinion, is incredibly distasteful. If your arguments weren't so infused with this cheap sense of entitlement, it might make more sense. But even if you weren't admittedly cheap, your opinion still seems to offer no explanation as to why the doctor's price increase, which still stays relatively "cheaper" than the competition, is "too drastic." If anything, couldn't you make the argument that the doctor was selling the shirt off his back by pricing his method so low at the original $1500 when virtually all his competitors (PMMA or Surgical PE) were charging arms & legs more and getting away with it?? (I'm not personally making the argument, just playing devil's advocate) And just so it isn't mistaken, I myself like anyone else was not thrilled about the price increase. But I saw it as a fair business decision considering the nature & pricing of the phallo-market. Making an issue about the price increase more than simply stating "you don't like it" just makes you sound cheap. So it's that simple. "I, Spankass, don't like this price increase." If the price increase is too drastic, find someone else to give you a penis enlargement procedure...oh wait, you're telling me that Dr. C still offers the best value available today for Girth enhancement in the known Western Hemisphere? Well shit, you'll just have to wait till the market demand creates more avenues of Girth enhancement at better a pricing, and you will have to hope that doctor is reputable and legitimate. Good luck! Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9nZW5lcmFsLWZvcnVtL2dlbmVyYWwtcGhhbGxvcGxhc3R5LWRpc2N1c3Npb24tYXJjaGl2ZS82NjE3NDE5LXBtbWEtcHJpY2luZy1jb252ZXJzYXRpb24uaHRtbD9tYXJrZG93bj0xJnN0YXJ0PTE1) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: PMMA Pricing Conversation 12 years 8 months ago [\#1280300886](#1280300886) - **[FatMike](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/2156026-fatmike.html "View FatMike's Profile")** - [![FatMike's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/2156026-fatmike.html "View FatMike's Profile") - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/2156026-fatmike.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 49 - Thanks: 0 - - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=2156026) Although his prices have gone up I don't think he's yet priced out the "common man," the cost still amounts to less than a months pay for most people. Just think how much more business he'd have (and how much higher his prices would probably be) if customers could finance the procedure or use credit cards (the American way). @DC Pimpin This forum is a double edged sword, he could just as easily gain a negative reputation; just ask Dr. E-list about that. The fact that he has a good reputation speaks more to his track record and professionalism. I feel the admins of this forum do a good job to keep the shills out, and you can easily find anecdotal stories of complications and imperfect outcomes by Dr. C. 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Looking now, after one procedure with Dr. C back in 2011 I wouldn't mind dishing out twice the amount I paid for. I plan on going back again for another procedure and am hoping to get the 20% concentration this time. 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Listen, you guys are in Mexico, I can find it for half the price there. > Receptionist: Yes, maybe, but Dr. C is a world-renowned bioplastician who is very experienced. > Spankass: He's just sticking a needle into a penis, how about $1,000? > Receptionist: I BEG your pardon? > Spankass: Fine, the original price of $1500 I think is a fair one. > Receptionist: Sorry we do not negotiate prices, our first time appointment is $2500. > Spankass: $1750. > Receptionist: :: remains quiet :: > Spankass: :: remains quiet :: > Receptionist: If it makes you feel better, your follow up appointments reduce in price each time. > Spankass: Give me your follow-up appointment rates. > Receptionist: Our second appointment goes for $2,000, however I cannot charge you that now. > Spankass: 2,000 is too much, are you guys crazy? $1850 is my final offer and I'll pay in cash! > Receptionist: Click. > > Give me a break ... S.O, funny as hell and most likely right on the nose....LOL!!!!!!!! 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That is a huge jump in price. BUT, BUT, DR C says that his cost for the PMMA has gone up so "A" price increase is more than fair. Still, This is a business. I do not blame Dr C for his price increase. Everything goes up when demands go up, is it fair? yes and no but this life is not fair so we have to deal with it. If one is not happy with the price, don't go for it. For me, It was worth every penny and then some. After spending over $12k on the wonderful defunct elist silicone implant that caused me pain and suffering 2nd to none, so far PMMA with Dr C and his quality work have been great, for me at least...... 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I think if he decreased the price he would make even more money off volume alone. If that were the case then people wouldn't already have to book weeks in advance. There are only so many hours in the day at it seems that Dr C is working all of them already. There have been quite a few posts about Dr C staying late to see people. One of the things that has concerned me in the past is that it's has been mentioned that Dr C has been tired and I'm sure one member said he had to stop for a break mid procedure, as he was so tired. 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If i was loria i wouldnt have said crap here either. Who knows who is who here and i might just steal your new and up and coming procedure for myself > > perfect example is Dr C going to korea to learn how to do glans...now he is gonna do it...what it the korean dude had a patent on it and didnt want anyone to know his technique then would he post to random guys on a forum? prob not > > this forum is not a double edge sword and i dont know where you get that idea at all since 95% of whats posted here about PMMA is all positive and the pics to back it up lol > > even the guys who didnt like it like fatmike posted pics.... Dr C can say "OMG this dude didnt like how big i made his Dick and how perfect it turned out" lol cause the pics show exactly that and the reason you didnt like it at one point was not for lack of looks or Girth > > every story on here about PMMA has its small complications but most if not all got past them and went back for more rounds so i am sure thats a negative thing the Dr looks at? lol ...again your repeat business states otherwise. > > if i was him personally though i would never endorse this site publicly but how much you wanna bet he uses this a selling tool to people who didnt come from this forum as a data base of success stories and all he can say he has nothing to do with which makes it even more credible and worth charging a higher fee for him. > > i am not being negative towards him cause i will more then likely being going to him but rather the fact i simply dont agree with his new pricing methods bases mainly off this sites increase for his business and i will personally voice that with him as well when i see him or talk to him cause i could care less if he doesnt like what i have to say and even turns me away....i said my peace as i always do and i wouldnt stop just cause he is doing my surgery or not > > if his costs went up then sure i understand as in ccs or w/e but if there the same then i dont see why a increase was needed at all even cause was his business not running fine without this site at all before this forum was made. So if thats the case then why increase unless costs went up but if business went up as well at same time costs went up it might be all relative as well and price could have stayed down too. > > not villianizing him as i said before ... just putting my .2 cents out there as well from what i have seen over the past 2 years > > and you know what, loria will get more and more too but not cause of some site but rather guys like bluemale who took the chance even after reading and dicks turned out badass and looks better then PMMA too cause its a more natural looking one > > just putting it out there ...he went up to high to fast ...increase in price is fine but not at the level he did it > > PS. ultimately its his business and he can do w/e he wants and we can not go to him or go to him that is i guess the bottom line lol It's not Lorias idea! He took the idea from a paper poster here! He's using a technicality that allows him to legally inject silicone oil. The fact that liquid silicone has such a bad reputation in plastic surgery, that even layman, such as yourself, know of it, is the reason Loria likes to shroud things in mystery. If he advertised his procedure as "liquid silicone injections" no one would go near him! Look at Bluemales final photo. It was a poor aesthetic result and Loria refused to add more the try and even things out. 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There are only so many of these he can perform on a given day. > > If he only has availability for 6 (just an example) procedures (including the other parts of his practice) but has 10 that want to see him, he has a surplus of patients. > If he drops the price, he still has time to see the same number of people, but now he has a higher surplus of patients, generating a lower income. > If he raises the price and drops his demand by 20%, he still has the same time, same 6 patients, but these generate a higher income (and still has a slight surplus) > > We have to keep in mind that this is not the one and only part of his practice. He has many patients that come to him for other services not even remotely related to penile enhancement. Yea but lets face it he dont have a high a demand for the other procedures. most of his patient are for penile enhancement. there might be a few a very few for other procedures. Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9nZW5lcmFsLWZvcnVtL2dlbmVyYWwtcGhhbGxvcGxhc3R5LWRpc2N1c3Npb24tYXJjaGl2ZS82NjE3NDE5LXBtbWEtcHJpY2luZy1jb252ZXJzYXRpb24uaHRtbD9tYXJrZG93bj0xJnN0YXJ0PTE1) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: PMMA Pricing Conversation 12 years 8 months ago [\#1280345748](#1280345748) - **[SpankAss](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/2082404-spankass.html "View SpankAss's Profile")** - [![SpankAss's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/2082404-spankass.html "View SpankAss's Profile") - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/2082404-spankass.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 89 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=2082404) > briceb wrote: > dcpimpin12 wrote: Yea but lets face it he dont have a high a demand for the other procedures. most of his patient are for penile enhancement. there might be a few a very few for other procedures. > > > What makes you say he does not have a demand for other procedures? > If, according to some, this site is responsible for his high demand for penis enlargement, then what did he do before this board got to where it is now? Yep, his other services. ofc course he had other services but not to the demand that PMMA has and again i love the fact some of you bash us for having our own opinion or one that is not the same as you just cause we visit the same forum or even because we have had the same surgery done or w/e. so I cant think or say I feel his price increase was to drastic? I have to follow what every other forum member who loves him thinks? i am not complaining but rather stating my opinion on his business practices and the fact i dont agree with them in full. I agree a price increase based on certain factors is fine but if your doing it purely because you see easy way or taking advantage of the situation when desperate people are willing to pay then I PERSONALLY think that is not morally or ethically wrong. I have never stated he wasnt allowed to do it or that its not a business thing. And I def feel some of the price increased is due to his costs going up but I also see the other part which is a huge price increase being put because he saw desperate guys who would pay almost anything so he saw that he could take advantage of the situation and he did and that is def reflected in the huge price increase. 3 rds now costs 5500 and you can get other procedures for Girth in the US for 6k now and god forbid something happen down the line because at least in the US we can sue for malpractice. Can we do anything to him in TJ. Even if you dont get the case won like some people did against Dr Elitist at least they could try but in TJ they cant. Who knows what PMMA will do in 10 years, who knows anything period as of yet. All i am saying is stop complaining that any of us who are complaining and who think a diff opinion on his price increase then you because thats how we feel and only our opinions .... he can do w/e he wants. I am sure that price increase has already lost him alot of business due to the fact not all can afford 5500 and to get only 1 or 2 rounds might not work for some people chill out if someone doesnt agree with you or says something they feel about your savior that you dont agree with dont just sit there and tell them there wrong > Mustang2020 wrote: I really think Dr. C is a very caring person (also Nurse Wade and the staff) but that does not mean he will not practice sound business and selfish actions to make more money, heck we all will do that given the opportunity... > > I think some of us here need to accept the fact that Dr C is a good guy and he makes a profit doing his business. completley agree with you on what you said but at the same time but why cant we disagree with price or state that its to large in a increase and also I can def see its all about money. we have accepted the fact of the increase but doesnt mean we have to like it or agree with it and we def can voice it thats all i beleive some of us are saying Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9nZW5lcmFsLWZvcnVtL2dlbmVyYWwtcGhhbGxvcGxhc3R5LWRpc2N1c3Npb24tYXJjaGl2ZS82NjE3NDE5LXBtbWEtcHJpY2luZy1jb252ZXJzYXRpb24uaHRtbD9tYXJrZG93bj0xJnN0YXJ0PTE1) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: PMMA Pricing Conversation 12 years 8 months ago [\#1280318869](#1280318869) - **[Skeptical\_One](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1704847-skeptical-one.html "View Skeptical_One's Profile")** - [![Skeptical_One's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/avatars/resized/size144/users/avatar1704847.png?1781856569)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1704847-skeptical-one.html "View Skeptical_One's Profile") - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1704847-skeptical-one.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 4979 - Thanks: 613 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1704847) @Spankass lol I somehow missed your paragraph asserting Dr. Loria should have remained non-transparent about things he would inject into our dicks. I'm not even sure how to respond to that. Not even sure how Loria entered the equation Take his ideas? What ideas? Do you know what in the hell you are talking about? Have you even kept up with the Dr. Loria situation? Do you know Bluemale stated, and I quote "After going through this process and seeing two types of doctors I only wished I started with these guys. Word to those reading this and considering this procedure. Be smart. Have goals. I would Stay away from Loria". Two members have reported visiting Dr. Loria for work. Both have followed up with Dr. Casavantes for Revision work. Both have praised Dr. C and gave a vote of no confidence for Dr. Loria. This, despite Dr. Loria costing more than Dr. Casavantes. I just re-read your entire posting and to be quite frank, either you were typing it sleep-deprived or you are extremely naive for someone who has been around the forum longer than average. The posting makes no rational case for objecting to a price change, and all you did was admit to being (literally) cheap despite making a healthy income. You type with almost a sense of entitlement for a lower price or discount, and I can assure you that attitude wont get you a better deal. I can see it now: "Spankass on phone with Avanti Derma: Ok how much for an appointment? Receptionist: $2500 for the first appointment. Spankass: $2500!? Listen, you guys are in Mexico, I can find it for half the price there. Receptionist: Yes, maybe, but Dr. C is a world-renowned bioplastician who is very experienced. Spankass: He's just sticking a needle into a penis, how about $1,000? Receptionist: I BEG your pardon? Spankass: Fine, the original price of $1500 I think is a fair one. Receptionist: Sorry we do not negotiate prices, our first time appointment is $2500. Spankass: $1750. Receptionist: :: remains quiet :: Spankass: :: remains quiet :: Receptionist: If it makes you feel better, your follow up appointments reduce in price each time. Spankass: Give me your follow-up appointment rates. Receptionist: Our second appointment goes for $2,000, however I cannot charge you that now. Spankass: 2,000 is too much, are you guys crazy? $1850 is my final offer and I'll pay in cash! Receptionist: Click. Give me a break ... 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Even worse you got the wool pulled over your eyes by Dan Salas. There was a huge argument over at the old PhalloBoards when we heard Dan Salas was trying to work with both Dr C and Dr Comacho-Melo. I even ended up calling Dan a pimp as I was so pissed off with him trying to get involved with those Dr's, as I knew it would lead to prices rocketing. Some people defended Dan and said he was a "good guy" and just offering a service. Yet here we are 2 years later and I was totally right about the impact him sticking his beak in would have. I'm sure he is a good guy, but he's bad for this industry and he isn't needed and just ends up costing everyone money, you personally more than most, only you don't know it. Before Dan came along Dr Comacho Melo was charging just $1500 for the lig cut. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't he now charging $4000 and did you a "favor" by standing by his original quote of $3000. Yet you still believe that poor old Dan doesn't earn anything from these surgeries and just hangs around Mexico for the hell of it! Get real!!! The truth is, just as I warned at the time, as soon as a surgical broker got involved the price more than doubled. You paid exactly double the price Dr C-M was charging back when Dr C was still charging $1500. Yet you complain about Dr C charging an extra $1000, but say nothing about your Dr, Camacho-Melo, charging an extra $2500 ($1500 in your case) and feel bad for Dan! Not long after we discovered Dr C, Dan tried to start working with him and even advertised PMMA on his site, only he charged $2500 for it, rather than the $1500 Dr C charged. Don't you think it's a bit odd, that soon after this Dr C moved his priced up to $2500, but decided not to work with Dan? Dan showed him the demand was still there at a higher price. If you want to blame anyone for the price rises in TJ blame Dan Salas and stop feeling bad about not tipping him for giving you a lift. The guys cost you an extra $1500. Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9nZW5lcmFsLWZvcnVtL2dlbmVyYWwtcGhhbGxvcGxhc3R5LWRpc2N1c3Npb24tYXJjaGl2ZS82NjE3NDE5LXBtbWEtcHJpY2luZy1jb252ZXJzYXRpb24uaHRtbD9tYXJrZG93bj0xJnN0YXJ0PTE1) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: PMMA Pricing Conversation 12 years 8 months ago [\#1280300751](#1280300751) - **[hoddle10](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1704891-hoddle10.html "View hoddle10's Profile")** - [![hoddle10's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1704891-hoddle10.html "View hoddle10's Profile") - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1704891-hoddle10.html) - Moderator - ![Moderator](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rankmod.gif) - Posts: 3120 - Thanks: 50 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1704891) But dcpimpin the reason Dr C isn't treated like Loria, Krakovsky or Elist is because he didn't seek out this site as a an avenue of marketing that he didn't have to pay for. I think his business has benefited greatly from PhalloBoards but he has done absolutely nothing to solicit this. The reason for his popularity is purely down to PhalloBoards members. It started with a post by Envisionmore and then GSX was the first pioneer. After that it simply snowballed. Virtually all the PMMA research was done by our members, so we "sold" the procedure to ourselves. All the progress reports were volunteered by our members at the request of other members. Dr C himself had nothing to do with any of this. He's a benefactor certainly, but he didn't come on here touting for business, using shills and shady surgical brokers. I'm sure his prices did go up due to the demand thanks to this site, but he's just reacting to market forces and seeing as he didn't do anything to actively try and promote himself, then he's done nothing wrong in my opinion. Also his prices are lower than Dr N in Prague and I think Dr Passy. So of the 3 main PMMA Dr's spoken about on this site, he is still the cheapest. Also, if you remember when the procedure first started being discussed he said he's use between 10-12cc of PMMA. Now he routinely uses 25cc +. I can't speak on SO's behalf, but I suspect he'd strongly be against any financial relationship between PhalloBoards and any Dr. Even if it's something simple like a discount for our members. The whole he reason he set up the forum is because he and others we absolutely sick to death of being mislead by information found on forums who had financial relationships with certain Dr's. It's imperative that the site remains totally impartial. We don't want situations, for example, when members would become hesitant about criticizing Dr C or asking probing questions if they thought it could cause for him to get annoyed and withdraw his PhalloBoards discount. Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9nZW5lcmFsLWZvcnVtL2dlbmVyYWwtcGhhbGxvcGxhc3R5LWRpc2N1c3Npb24tYXJjaGl2ZS82NjE3NDE5LXBtbWEtcHJpY2luZy1jb252ZXJzYXRpb24uaHRtbD9tYXJrZG93bj0xJnN0YXJ0PTE1) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: PMMA Pricing Conversation 12 years 8 months ago [\#1280347099](#1280347099) - **[hoddle10](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1704891-hoddle10.html "View hoddle10's Profile")** - [![hoddle10's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1704891-hoddle10.html "View hoddle10's Profile") - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1704891-hoddle10.html) - Moderator - ![Moderator](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rankmod.gif) - Posts: 3120 - Thanks: 50 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1704891) > SpankAss wrote: > briceb wrote: > dcpimpin12 wrote: Yea but lets face it he dont have a high a demand for the other procedures. most of his patient are for penile enhancement. there might be a few a very few for other procedures. > > > > > > What makes you say he does not have a demand for other procedures? > > If, according to some, this site is responsible for his high demand for penis enlargement, then what did he do before this board got to where it is now? Yep, his other services. > > > ofc course he had other services but not to the demand that PMMA has [/QUOTE] But this is what he was known for! When PMMA first came along and many of our members were researching it, Dr C continually came up as one of, if not the, most renowned PMMA Dr in the world. One of the main resources for research we HIV forums and they are full of posts about Dr C's work. All that has changed is due to PhalloBoards he's now getting loads of penis enlargement patients. I think you just want to moan for the sake of it. You've been told that the price of PMMA has risen and that he now uses about twice as much per procedure. So given that, why are you still complaining? If you read makemeheal there are a couple of guys who had PE with Dr C before PhalloBoards and they both had 10cc per round. Our first pioneer, GSX, received 12cc. Yet thesedays it's rare that guys get under 20cc. Surely you can see that he's using double the amount, so why shouldn't he charge more? Also, I've pointed out he's still cheaper than the other 2 PMMA Dr's we regularly discuss. There is one price related issue that I think is worth discussing though and that is second round "touch up" procedures. I don't think it's acceptable that corrective procedures have a limited amount of CC's (5 I believe). Personally I think this is totally wrong and something Dr C should change, without raising the price. If a guy wants more size then of course he should pay for whole second round. However, it all the patient wants is to correct issues from the first procedure, then that patient should receive as many CCs as needed to get the best result Dr C possibly can. Every now and again we see patients being told that Dr C has suggested a full second round in order to totally correct their issues. I really think this has to change. If they aren't requesting more size, then, in my opinion, Dr C should be obligated to fix the problems for the "touch up" price. 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Surgical PE has had perhaps the worst success record so far, and this PMMA procedure with Dr. C has had the best outcomes, while I understand it, there is a debate about the high price increase. I really think Dr. C is a very caring person (also Nurse Wade and the staff) but that does not mean he will not practice sound business and selfish actions to make more money, heck we all will do that given the opportunity... I think some of us here need to accept the fact that Dr C is a good guy and he makes a profit doing his business. Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9nZW5lcmFsLWZvcnVtL2dlbmVyYWwtcGhhbGxvcGxhc3R5LWRpc2N1c3Npb24tYXJjaGl2ZS82NjE3NDE5LXBtbWEtcHJpY2luZy1jb252ZXJzYXRpb24uaHRtbD9tYXJrZG93bj0xJnN0YXJ0PTE1) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. 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