--- title: "Temporary fillers - PhalloBoards - Phalloboards" description: "Hi Guys, Are there any good temporary fillers out there in the market which can be used rather than the permanent PMMA.... - Page 3" url: "https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/6344914-temporary-fillers.html?start=30" date: "2026-08-06T20:35:22+00:00" language: "en-GB" --- PhalloBoards - An Online Community to Discuss Penile Girth Enhancement General Forum Doctors Forum Username Password Remember me - [ Forgot your password? ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/component/users/reset.html?Itemid=101) - [ Forgot your username? ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/component/users/remind.html?Itemid=101) - [ Create an account ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) # TOPIC: Temporary fillers ## Re: Temporary fillers 13 years 2 months ago [\#1278196907](#1278196907) - **[aestheticgirth](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1828911-aestheticgirth.html "View aestheticgirth's Profile")** - [![aestheticgirth's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1828911-aestheticgirth.html "View aestheticgirth's Profile") - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1828911-aestheticgirth.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 144 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1828911) Interested1 please ask about if the technique he uses. Going in with the cannula and just laying lines of the product ? I'm sure he can give a short "yes basically that's it" or "no and explanation". (I'm interested in that because of the small amount which i am kinda confused about, but that is actually super news) Why a 6 month touch up with Radiesse when it lasts way longer then that ! And the price 1800$ a year seems ok to me for getting a safe procedure done. Thanks alot for contacting the Dr. ! > yao wrote: spoke with david ralph's. Ralph doesn't use Radiesse but instead Restylane Thanks alot for doing that aswell! We knew what he uses tho, the question is if he would inject Radiesse if we would want that. That is something that should be asked directly probably. The reasons Radiesse is interesting for the use of Girth augmentation is obvious it is firmer and longer lasting then macrolane/Restylane. And even cheaper with only 3cc used for lasting 1 year - 2years. And what implant does he do. That is completly new information. Hoddle go ring his bell right now ! The Filler option still sounds better to me then thinking of another hard implant combined with a real surgery. But we would need more information of course to judge this new implant. Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9nZW5lcmFsLWZvcnVtL2dlbmVyYWwtcGhhbGxvcGxhc3R5LWRpc2N1c3Npb24tYXJjaGl2ZS82MzQ0OTE0LXRlbXBvcmFyeS1maWxsZXJzLmh0bWw/bWFya2Rvd249MSZzdGFydD0zMA==) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: Temporary fillers 13 years 2 months ago [\#1278255791](#1278255791) - **[hoddle10](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1704891-hoddle10.html "View hoddle10's Profile")** - [![hoddle10's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1704891-hoddle10.html "View hoddle10's Profile") - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1704891-hoddle10.html) - Moderator - ![Moderator](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rankmod.gif) - Posts: 3120 - Thanks: 50 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1704891) I know Dr Ralph pretty well. He's very open minded and doesn't know much about fillers, so I'm sure he'd be prepared to learn if there was something out there that gave better results than Restylane. Realistically, flying to Florida for a temporary solution seems a step too far, as often with these things a touch up is need a few weeks later. Also I still find it tough to believe a 20% gain is achievable with a 3 ml injection. But, on the other hand, we do have a poster who got those kind of gains and Dr Greenwald seems like a very reputable guy. I wonder if he'd be prepared to make a video of his technique. We could offer to pay him. All he'd need to do is have someone standing next to him with an Iphone, whilst he talks his way through what he's doing. I'm fairly sure Mr Ralph would do it and if we had a video it would make things easier. We should offer him $500 to make a short a clip, if Dr Ralph agrees to do the injections. Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9nZW5lcmFsLWZvcnVtL2dlbmVyYWwtcGhhbGxvcGxhc3R5LWRpc2N1c3Npb24tYXJjaGl2ZS82MzQ0OTE0LXRlbXBvcmFyeS1maWxsZXJzLmh0bWw/bWFya2Rvd249MSZzdGFydD0zMA==) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: Temporary fillers 13 years 2 months ago [\#1278202801](#1278202801) - **[hoddle10](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1704891-hoddle10.html "View hoddle10's Profile")** - [![hoddle10's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1704891-hoddle10.html "View hoddle10's Profile") - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1704891-hoddle10.html) - Moderator - ![Moderator](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rankmod.gif) - Posts: 3120 - Thanks: 50 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1704891) I don't think Hyaluronic acids filler harden. They don't work like particulate fillers as far as I know. When you inject 10cc of Macrolane, that's what it is and that's what remains. But with PMMA between 70% and 90% of the filler is carrier that gets absorbed and is replaced with collagen. I'm assuming that collagen is firmer than Hyaluronic Acid and fat. I think that is what makes the difference. The firmer collagen based tissue doesn't get compressed by the skin. 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With a cannula the product doesn't come out at the very tip, but just to the side, so in theory shouldn't be able to go into an vessels. Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9nZW5lcmFsLWZvcnVtL2dlbmVyYWwtcGhhbGxvcGxhc3R5LWRpc2N1c3Npb24tYXJjaGl2ZS82MzQ0OTE0LXRlbXBvcmFyeS1maWxsZXJzLmh0bWw/bWFya2Rvd249MSZzdGFydD0zMA==) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: Temporary fillers 13 years 2 months ago [\#1278187191](#1278187191) - **[interested1](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/2061918-interested1.html "View interested1's Profile")** - [![interested1's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/2061918-interested1.html "View interested1's Profile") - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/2061918-interested1.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 46 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=2061918) ... 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The key difference is that most of complications associated with temporary fillers get resolved when the filler absorbs. 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I will email dr c and the tampa doctor to find out more.Hoddle, what do you know about juvaderm. Found a clinic in us who injects juvaderm. Last edit: by [Dev\_Team](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/456-dev-team.html "View Dev_Team's Profile") Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9nZW5lcmFsLWZvcnVtL2dlbmVyYWwtcGhhbGxvcGxhc3R5LWRpc2N1c3Npb24tYXJjaGl2ZS82MzQ0OTE0LXRlbXBvcmFyeS1maWxsZXJzLmh0bWw/bWFya2Rvd249MSZzdGFydD0zMA==) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: Temporary fillers 13 years 2 months ago [\#1278189520](#1278189520) - **[interested1](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/2061918-interested1.html "View interested1's Profile")** - [![interested1's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/2061918-interested1.html "View interested1's Profile") - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/2061918-interested1.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 46 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=2061918) Response from Dr. Greenwald Hi, Radiesse is a safe and effective filler that I have used successfully for many years. Clients who have had injections for penile enhancement are very happy with the results. The filler works for increasing Girth. I usually start with two tubes for a total volume of about 3 cc. Total cost is $1800.00; the material should last for more than year and in some people it seems to last a lot longer. If you call the office at 813-258-2425 we can schedule an appointment or a phone chat. Thanks for the inquiry. --Dan Greenwald, MD FACS Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9nZW5lcmFsLWZvcnVtL2dlbmVyYWwtcGhhbGxvcGxhc3R5LWRpc2N1c3Npb24tYXJjaGl2ZS82MzQ0OTE0LXRlbXBvcmFyeS1maWxsZXJzLmh0bWw/bWFya2Rvd249MSZzdGFydD0zMA==) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: Temporary fillers 13 years 2 months ago [\#1278191568](#1278191568) - **[Cya@8](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1765495-cya-8.html "View Cya@8's Profile")** - [![Cya@8's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1765495-cya-8.html "View Cya@8's Profile") - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1765495-cya-8.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 56 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1765495) > yao wrote: Hi Hoddle, Harleyman is one of the forum members that had the radiesse injection a dr called greenwald in tampa.According to him 2 syringes lasted him around 6 months at a cost of around 1300$. I will email dr c and the tampa doctor to find out more.Hoddle, what do you know about juvaderm. Found a clinic in us who injects juvaderm. [ www.nvpsaz.com/male/phalloplasty-surgical-penis-enlargement-2](http://www.nvpsaz.com/male/phalloplasty-surgical-penis-enlargement-2) I don't know $1,300 for 6 months seems like an investment my wife wouldn't go for. Rather do PMMA for 4k and it never go away. 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I don't think they are expensive to buy, so you could ask Dr G if he'll use one if you buy it. But really we need to see if we can get Mr Viel to inject Radiesse. I'm fairly sure I could get David Ralph to do it, but he's not a cosmetic surgeon or Dermatologist, so has limited experience with fillers. 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When Mikehok spoke to him he mentioned Indextene. But he's used Alloderm and fat before as well. But he isn't really an enlargement surgeon and I wouldn't recommend him for it. I think he only does it in certain circumstances. Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9nZW5lcmFsLWZvcnVtL2dlbmVyYWwtcGhhbGxvcGxhc3R5LWRpc2N1c3Npb24tYXJjaGl2ZS82MzQ0OTE0LXRlbXBvcmFyeS1maWxsZXJzLmh0bWw/bWFya2Rvd249MSZzdGFydD0zMA==) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: Temporary fillers 13 years 2 months ago [\#1278255340](#1278255340) - **[yao](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1725802-yao.html "View yao's Profile")** - [![yao's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1725802-yao.html "View yao's Profile") Topic Author - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1725802-yao.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 51 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1725802) Couldn't wait till interested got back to us so I gave dr G a call to get some answers.the dr injects Radiesse and has been doing so for 6 years if my memory is correct.he recommends two syringes inject at 10 o'clock and 2 o'clock from cross section perspective of the penis.He haven't had any complications from his patients and according to him he has had many patients during his 6 years.Expected increase in volume is around 20% and results last around a year maybe longer.He uses a small needle and the procedure cost 1800$. Can someone help me understand whats the difference between using canula and a needle?some of you mentioned that you are scared of the idea using needle - is it that bad?Thats all info i could pull out during my quick phone chat with the doctor Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9nZW5lcmFsLWZvcnVtL2dlbmVyYWwtcGhhbGxvcGxhc3R5LWRpc2N1c3Npb24tYXJjaGl2ZS82MzQ0OTE0LXRlbXBvcmFyeS1maWxsZXJzLmh0bWw/bWFya2Rvd249MSZzdGFydD0zMA==) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: Temporary fillers 13 years 2 months ago [\#1278259955](#1278259955) - **[Mudball](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1896766-mudball.html "View Mudball's Profile")** - [![Mudball's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1896766-mudball.html "View Mudball's Profile") - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1896766-mudball.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 264 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1896766) Thanks, I was wondering if some of the complications could continue to linger after the filler had gone. I guess it is just like you have said multiple times, the safest way is to not do anything! Thanks for your continued involvement here Hoddle! Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9nZW5lcmFsLWZvcnVtL2dlbmVyYWwtcGhhbGxvcGxhc3R5LWRpc2N1c3Npb24tYXJjaGl2ZS82MzQ0OTE0LXRlbXBvcmFyeS1maWxsZXJzLmh0bWw/bWFya2Rvd249MSZzdGFydD0zMA==) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. 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