--- title: "David Ralph vs Mr Viel - PhalloBoards - Phalloboards" description: "David Ralph charges 2500 for lig cut and Mr Viel charges 4000. Is there a massive difference between their results? I have a... - Page 3" url: "https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/5930733-david-ralph-vs-mr-viel.html?start=30" date: "2026-08-06T21:46:57+00:00" language: "en-GB" --- PhalloBoards - An Online Community to Discuss Penile Girth Enhancement General Forum Doctors Forum Username Password Remember me - [ Forgot your password? ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/component/users/reset.html?Itemid=101) - [ Forgot your username? ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/component/users/remind.html?Itemid=101) - [ Create an account ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) # TOPIC: David Ralph vs Mr Viel ## Re: David Ralph vs Mr Viel 14 years 3 weeks ago [\#1274313678](#1274313678) - **[hoddle10](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1704891-hoddle10.html "View hoddle10's Profile")** - [![hoddle10's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1704891-hoddle10.html "View hoddle10's Profile") - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1704891-hoddle10.html) - Moderator - ![Moderator](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rankmod.gif) - Posts: 3120 - Thanks: 50 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1704891) Mr Viel does Y/V, whilst Mr Ralph has used a variety of techniques, I'm not sure which one is his standard. But Mr Ralph doesn't do a great deal of these as it isn't his main area. I wouldn't recommend either to be honest. I wouldn't get Circumcised either. Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9nZW5lcmFsLWZvcnVtL2dlbmVyYWwtcGhhbGxvcGxhc3R5LWRpc2N1c3Npb24tYXJjaGl2ZS81OTMwNzMzLWRhdmlkLXJhbHBoLXZzLW1yLXZpZWwuaHRtbD9tYXJrZG93bj0xJnN0YXJ0PTMw) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: David Ralph vs Mr Viel 14 years 3 weeks ago [\#1274319319](#1274319319) - **[girth121](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1942373-girth121.html "View girth121's Profile")** - [![girth121's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1942373-girth121.html "View girth121's Profile") - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1942373-girth121.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 26 - Thanks: 1 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1942373) @Hoddle10 Thank you for sharing that. If I had the time and money I would pursue PMMA no doubt, but unfortunately I don't have that right now. So the most convenient option is FFT. Maybe in future if my FFT for some reason is not satisfying then I would for sure go the PMMA route. Do I have to remove FFT before going the PMMA route or its ok to put PMMA on top of FFT and will it be effective? @ SO You are right, the risks are acceptable considering my Girth. However, I think FFT is the least risky among every other procedure. Dr viel strongly said no PMMA due to after effects but I will still go with it if FFT fails. I would also like to reiterate that with 3.8" Girth I had a wonderfull sex life. I can last forever and very good technically (given multiple orgasms to my partner) considering I have two kids too and my wife never complained. If my wife knew that I am considering such type of procedures she is going to kill me. But I do feel that enchaning Girth further will bring new excitment in our lives and will be pleasurable for us. So in short I am willing to take risk with either FFT or PMMA. 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Do they do it differently in Serbia or anywhere in europe? 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Please let me know because I am seriously considering FFT now? Thanks Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9nZW5lcmFsLWZvcnVtL2dlbmVyYWwtcGhhbGxvcGxhc3R5LWRpc2N1c3Npb24tYXJjaGl2ZS81OTMwNzMzLWRhdmlkLXJhbHBoLXZzLW1yLXZpZWwuaHRtbD9tYXJrZG93bj0xJnN0YXJ0PTMw) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: David Ralph vs Mr Viel 14 years 3 weeks ago [\#1274310888](#1274310888) - **[girth121](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1942373-girth121.html "View girth121's Profile")** - [![girth121's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1942373-girth121.html "View girth121's Profile") - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1942373-girth121.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 26 - Thanks: 1 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1942373) @hoddle10 It is an embarrasing 3.8" Erect and I desperately need Girth enhancement. Since Mexico is too far for me, I would do FFT (Stem Cells) any way no matter what. Hoddle I know you had a bad experience with it but my options are limited. What about that guy IDM he was pretty happy with it, I wonder where is he now. Thanks Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9nZW5lcmFsLWZvcnVtL2dlbmVyYWwtcGhhbGxvcGxhc3R5LWRpc2N1c3Npb24tYXJjaGl2ZS81OTMwNzMzLWRhdmlkLXJhbHBoLXZzLW1yLXZpZWwuaHRtbD9tYXJrZG93bj0xJnN0YXJ0PTMw) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: David Ralph vs Mr Viel 14 years 3 weeks ago [\#1274338286](#1274338286) - **[grahamjack](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1946362-grahamjack.html "View grahamjack's Profile")** - [![grahamjack's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1946362-grahamjack.html "View grahamjack's Profile") Topic Author - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1946362-grahamjack.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 16 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1946362) > hoddle10 wrote: You don't have to have it done. What are your current stats? > > Honestly the V/Y is a horrible incision and prone to poor healing. > > The alternatives are to go abroad for a transverse incision or a scrotal incision. The scrotal seems to be by far the best, but it is well known, yet very few surgeons do it. This worries me and makes me think that it could potentially be dangerous. > > I wouldn't have the lig cut in the UK. David Ralph doesn't do it often and the results he published showed small gains. Mr Viel uses V/Y incision. UGRS charge an absurd amount and treat potential patients badly if they ask too many questions. > > I'm not advocating you get FFT. But if you are determined to have something done in the UK, then get FFT without the lig cut. It seems strange that Mr Viel still uses this incision if the healing is so poor. I am finding it difficult to find legit surgeons with a good rep, abroad that do lig cut and FFT. But I defo want it done though. Length is about 4inchs Flaccid. Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9nZW5lcmFsLWZvcnVtL2dlbmVyYWwtcGhhbGxvcGxhc3R5LWRpc2N1c3Npb24tYXJjaGl2ZS81OTMwNzMzLWRhdmlkLXJhbHBoLXZzLW1yLXZpZWwuaHRtbD9tYXJrZG93bj0xJnN0YXJ0PTMw) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: David Ralph vs Mr Viel 14 years 3 weeks ago [\#1274301692](#1274301692) - **[hoddle10](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1704891-hoddle10.html "View hoddle10's Profile")** - [![hoddle10's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1704891-hoddle10.html "View hoddle10's Profile") - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1704891-hoddle10.html) - Moderator - ![Moderator](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rankmod.gif) - Posts: 3120 - Thanks: 50 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1704891) Don't have the lig cut with Viel, as he uses the Y/V incision. I'm unsure if David Ralph will do the lig cut on just anybody. He may require you to be under a certain length. Personally I wouldn't have the surgery with either of them. Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9nZW5lcmFsLWZvcnVtL2dlbmVyYWwtcGhhbGxvcGxhc3R5LWRpc2N1c3Npb24tYXJjaGl2ZS81OTMwNzMzLWRhdmlkLXJhbHBoLXZzLW1yLXZpZWwuaHRtbD9tYXJrZG93bj0xJnN0YXJ0PTMw) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: David Ralph vs Mr Viel 14 years 3 weeks ago [\#1274313724](#1274313724) - **[Skeptical\_One](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1704847-skeptical-one.html "View Skeptical_One's Profile")** - [![Skeptical_One's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/avatars/resized/size144/users/avatar1704847.png?1781856569)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1704847-skeptical-one.html "View Skeptical_One's Profile") - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1704847-skeptical-one.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 4979 - Thanks: 613 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1704847) I feel that if you are genuinely suffering from size/Girth issues, FFT may not be a terrible option. That's especially true if aren't willing to pursue PMMA (for either complication concerns or financial burden). You just have to be upfront with yourself about what could go wrong. You'll also need to be prepared to have the kind of income stability that allows for continuous life-long top offs. Some require top offs more frequently than others, and there is no way to know how you'll fare until you are actually a post-op. I can relate, especially to gentlemen like girth121, where the risks are much easier to accept given where your starting point is. That doesn't mean a 3.8 (or my pre-PMMA 3.5) can't be effective, and I believe with powerful EQ & technique, for some it can be satisfactory. But for some, the desire for Girth is a means to achieve a sense of normalcy in a society that exploits sex & image to unhealthy degrees. 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He's been doing it for a while and specializes in FFT (I believe he still offers ligs too). It's abroad but definitely an option. I can't recall off the top of my head, but does anyone know what type of incision Dr. Giunta uses? Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9nZW5lcmFsLWZvcnVtL2dlbmVyYWwtcGhhbGxvcGxhc3R5LWRpc2N1c3Npb24tYXJjaGl2ZS81OTMwNzMzLWRhdmlkLXJhbHBoLXZzLW1yLXZpZWwuaHRtbD9tYXJrZG93bj0xJnN0YXJ0PTMw) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. 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