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TOPIC: Unresolved Pre-PMMA Questions & Concerns - Please answer!

Re: Unresolved Pre-PMMA Questions & Concerns - Please answer!

14 years 5 months ago #1272151165
There is no doubt that our western society teaches us subconsciously that "bigger is better". Bigger car, houses, salaries, Penises, tits....etc... One exception; all men like Smaller pussies

That "IS" partially why women tell us they like it bigger, and our manhood gets hurt if our penises are not big and rightfully so.

But, scientifically speaking and from what I have read on line, a woman enjoys her vagina being stretched during sex due to Girth (of course to a certain extent) and this Girth stimulates the sexual nerve endings inside a woman. So, there is a truth to the fact that most women will enjoy a girthy Dick (is there such a word? ) but again, read carefully, women will enjoy extra Girth to a certain extent. I do not know what the magical Girth number is before a woman starts to feel pain. I know most smaller Asian women will hurt around 5.5" and above.

In the western world, women generally speaking will accommodate larger penises due to their bigger build....

There is no question in my mind that when I see my bigger Dick, it gives me a great feeling, do I really need it, may be not! but is makes ME feel good and that is good enough for me!

Live long, fuck a lot and prosper!

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Re: Unresolved Pre-PMMA Questions & Concerns - Please answer!

14 years 5 months ago #1272149909
eqstudent wrote:
messageman wrote: I'll let your reference to porn stars not wanting to work with big penises slide....But you get my point, right?
MM I am disappointed. I thought at the very least you would be sophisticated enough to get my sarcastic reference to using anecdotal data as fact. MM says:EQIt would be appreciated that you might 'dumbdown' your lofty highbrow humor for the sake of simpletons like myself'We all can't be as sophisticated as you'. Back to the member's question:
justwondering410 wrote: She likes my size, but she is also fairly petite so maybe it's just right for her. Sometimes she begs for it, even if I'm not in the mood, so I have no reason to believe she is dissatisfied' I am having some anxiety about my size. I figure that since I have only had sex with one girl, I don't really have enough data to know whether my Dick is going to be satisfactory to most women.
I remember posting on the old site that for average sized men with size insecurities getting on a PE site is the worst possible thing they could do. SO said he hoped this site did not do that, well... MM says:This purpose of this site is not to act as a support group for people with 'size insecurities' eqstudent. Rather, this site was created as a means for men to gather information and be proactive in the pursuit of tackling the issue of enlarging their penises. Transparency and honesty are valued over political correctness and wishful thinking If people on this site really believe that a man with an average size penis can't satisfy a woman that is really sad. At his size and based on current data he is within the range of almost 58% of men on this planet. MM says:At risk of flogging a dead horse, we, or at least I am not saying this''Average' is fine...but it's been in my experience, women generally appreciate a larger than average penis. That doesn't mean to say that an 'average' penis size isn't satisfying though. Let me put it into my 'unsophisticated' analogy. When I was younger, I had VW Beetle that got me from point A to B, and I loved it. It did its job well and I had few problems with it. Now I drive an Audi. Not only does this car get me from A to B but it also gives me a smoother, 'enhanced' driving experience. If I had to choose between driving the VW or the Audi, I would choose the Audi hands down' Are you guys really saying that more than half the men on this planet have dicks that can't satisfy a woman? Wow talk about dysfunctional thinking.MM says:Please read above. PS: the average vagina is 1" diameter and grows to 1.5" diameter when aroused. You guys need to do the math.

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Re: Unresolved Pre-PMMA Questions & Concerns - Please answer!

14 years 5 months ago #1272140696
Pardon what may seem to be a hijacking of this thread , but I wanted to chime in.
eqstudent wrote: An anecdotal example, if larger Girth above the average size gave women greater pleasure, your most successful porn starlet would be requesting the largest guys to work with. In fact the opposite is true; the bigger guys don't get as many calls to work with the top starlets! Remember in professional porn the women get to control who they work with.
Granted, however 9/10 times I pull up a porn (from various sites, studios, etc), the penis appears to be above average (and this takes into the account of visual distortion created by camera angles, etc).Size can definitely be an issue. However, how importance of possessing a horse's endowment will always be up for debate. I will tell you how size can be an issue. For starters, if you are way too big, you may scare away some lovers, and anal may be out of the question for others. If you are too small, you may not provide the kind of friction that is pleasurable to both you and your lover. That being said, the importance of an "average" penis versus a "bigger-than-average" penis will always be an interesting debate and will always rely on mostly anecdotal evidence.In a survey you took eqstudent, it appears a good number of women (nearly 30%) liked the 5.5"+ Girth, which treads into the realm of Magnum size penises. Although the 5" Girth was by far the most preferred (50%), even 5" is slightly above average - and the sex-toys possessed a rigidity that many erections can't replicate.I agree with the assertion that Dick size alone is not high on the list of "how to give her pleasure," but anecdotal evidence suggests that it still & can play a role.
eqstudent wrote: I would suggest that anyone interested in finding out what women want from a size perspective ask women on women's sites, don't ask guys on PE sites!
I have personally done a lot of what you've suggested, and my constant obsession with this topic over the years has given me some pretty interesting insight. Hell, from what I gather (and to quote a purported female member of another forum), when it comes to penises, this is the Hierarchy of Pleasure:Penis Rigidity/Stiffness/Erection QualityStamina/Endurance/LongevityGirthLengthAesthetic Appearance(*NOTE: This is just an opinion, not a universal truth for all women, though I like to think it is pretty damn near the real deal.)
In addition to this, mutual chemistry between the partners, ample foreplay, and attention to your lovers needs will result in much more powerful sex than simply walking in and banging the hell out of her with a monster Cock. Of course, there are exceptions to the rule, and you'll find the occasional size queen that needs to be ravaged. But let's not put our mental investment into the needs of that minority of women. My 2 cents.
This is defintely a subject more fitting of the Love, Lust, & Vanity forum, so pardon us justwondering410!

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Re: Unresolved Pre-PMMA Questions & Concerns - Please answer!

14 years 5 months ago #1272144025
eqstudent wrote: An anecdotal example, if larger Girth above the average size gave women greater pleasure, your most successful porn starlet would be requesting the largest guys to work with. In fact the opposite is true; the bigger guys don't get as many calls to work with the top starlets! Remember in professional porn the women get to control who they work with. I would suggest that anyone interested in finding out what women want from a size perspective ask women on women's sites, don't ask guys on PE sites!
lol wait whut.....? Basing your opinion on what satisfies a woman off porn stars and the reaction/amount of requests they get from girls. Sounds like bro science to me. Your logic is weak. Opinions are like assholes brah, we all have em. However your opinion on what satisfies a woman should have nothing to do with a persons decision to enhance themselves in any way. Why are we even wrapped up in this psycho-babble internet therapy? We all have issues in some form or another, it's just in our nature. We all have our reasons for being here, I don't honestly care if yours differs from mine, or if john smith's differs from mine. We're all after the same result right, otherwise we wouldn't be here. I didn't realize we were all licensed psychiatrists now. Now don't get your panties twisted, I'm not trying to start drama so don't cry or get keyboard muscles. I think you just need to take a minute to think before you type replies to this man's questions. /thread

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Re: Unresolved Pre-PMMA Questions & Concerns - Please answer!

14 years 5 months ago #1272138397
I am a "shower" but I'll address what ?'s I can.
3. Dr. C's marketing material claims that the PMMA treatment will produce avisual lengthening effect. Has anyone on the forum actually observed ANY lengthening after PMMA whatsoever? I have only been able to find stories from people who have lost a bit of length after PMMA, not gained.

A. There will be no Erect length gained by any filler (whether fat, PMMA, Perlane, etc.) Your Erect length will remain the same, however, your Flaccid length may improve slightly. I lost around a .25" of Erect length and it returns as your penis continues to recover and heal and the skin stretches.

4. My penis length is average, not long. I am wondering if it will look too freakish to add 1" Girth on a 5.75" Dick. Has anyone else on the forum undergone PMMA treatment with a Dick near my size? I don't want a "choad" look. Ideally I would want the same Girth from base to shaft. I'm also afraid that the enhanced Girth may diminish the appearance of the glans, creating the optical illusion of a short, wide penis (whereas right now I have a perfect straight flawless one).

A. It will not look freakish at all. In fact, (providing you have a good aesthetic outcome) it will improve the length to Girth ratio and you will appear to have a fat penis. Example: A penis 6L x 5W is at a ratio of 1 to .833. Your penis now is at a ratio of 1 to .782. If you gained 1/2", you'd be at a ratio of 1 to .869. See my point? You'd just have a thick penis. (Nothing to be ashamed of.)

5. I'm sure a lot of people having this procedure do NOT post any pics anywhere, so we don't really know how common these issues are. Any words of advice or opinion on real success/satisfaction rates?

A. There are certainly unknowns regarding PMMA bioplasty. If you are still uncomfortable after doing LOTS of research, I suggest you live with what you have.

9. This goes back to question #5... regarding deformed dicks. Some of them tend to look like they are wrapped in a sleeve, with the PMMA not really extending the full length of the shaft (leaving a gap at the base or below the glans). Why are so many of the guys on the forum ok with this look, when it clearly looks doctored? Do I understand correctly that this goes away over time?
A. Some people achieve a more aesthetically pleasing result than others. Most aesthetic/contour concerns resolve with time. Not all of them will. There is no way to predict your aesthetic outcome. It is a risk assumed by the patient. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Aesthetic issues can also be addressed in a touch up procedure. Personally, my aesthetic outcome was flawless; in fact, superior to that pre PMMA.

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Re: Unresolved Pre-PMMA Questions & Concerns - Please answer!

14 years 5 months ago #1272156069
Wow guys, just catching up with the conversation (nay, debate) that has ensued here. I appreciate everyone's willingness to spend time responding to my thread, but if you go back to the original post, there are some legitimate questions that I've only gotten one or two good answers to (thanks M7 and SO) and would love to get a few more responses to take into consideration. I'm in LA so getting the procedure done would not be a problem for me... just looking for some of my concerns to be answered by people with PMMA experience.

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Re: Unresolved Pre-PMMA Questions & Concerns - Please answer!

14 years 5 months ago #1272133550
OK eqstudent You're absolutely right; size doesn't matter Let's stop hijacking this thread '.
MM

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Re: Unresolved Pre-PMMA Questions & Concerns - Please answer!

14 years 5 months ago #1272133076
messageman wrote: eqstudent I think if you ask the men (on this site) who have successfully enhanced their penises (forget asking them, just read their PE logs), the great majority would report that their partners enjoyed the sex more than they had before the enhancement. To say otherwise would be disingenuous.
It's called "confirmation bias". Most anorexics also state when shown pictures of themselves in skeleton vs skinny state that the skeleton state looks better. Better to ask their partners!
messageman wrote: Still, that does not discount the fact that that a bigger penis is a plus in the bedroom.
Interesting 'fact'!

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Re: Unresolved Pre-PMMA Questions & Concerns - Please answer!

14 years 5 months ago #1272141524
astroman wrote: This site has done a lot to convince me that women prefer above average penis girth (within reason of course): www.penissizedebate.com/contents.htm

Vaginal stimulation from penis length: www.penissizedebate.com/page18_penis-length.htm

Vaginal stimulation from penis girth: www.penissizedebate.com/page19_penis-girth.htm
This site may adequately explain how length or girth stimulates the anatomical structures of the inner & outer vagina, but it pretty much stops right there.
The rest of the site somehow subscribes to the idea that masculinity and penis size are central to one another, and that a man with a larger penis is somehow superior genetically (when this does not take into account a man's health & intelligence, and other genetic factors). Then they cite a graph showing that 7x6.5's+ are ideal (pictured below), but women must really have it rough considering how incredibly rare these types of dongs are. Ludicrous to say the least. I'd strongly recommend disregarding the site altogether with the exception of the pages that pertain to female & male anatomy.
www.penissizedebate.com/images/doc/penis...rence_chart1.gifThey spew this bullshit so they can get advertises like bigcocks(d0t)com. Apparently a 6x4.5 (incredibly average) is deemed completely unsatisfying by this chart. The idea is you click on the big cock porn sites so that you'll inevitably feel compelled to buy the big cock pills. Fucking industry makes me sick!

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Re: Unresolved Pre-PMMA Questions & Concerns - Please answer!

14 years 5 months ago #1272140502
Not true. Most averaged size women are happy with an average sized penis. Not having sufficient Girth is the equivalent of very lightly grasping your penis while masturbating. If your grip is too light, it doesn't feel all that great does it? If it's too hard, it hurts and is no longer pleasurable is it? If it ranges in between, it feels great. Bingo!

At almost 39 years of age, every woman I've ever queried stated that size matters but not as much as men think. Most women prefer an average to slightly above average size according to medical studies. You never hear of men looking for a "loose" woman. Men desire a tight fit for the same reason women do, it increases sensation, thus pleasure. The reaction from my wife at 6.125" MSEG was undeniable proof to me how significant Girth is. I've also been told in the past by girls that they preferred cunnilingus with me as opposed to intercourse due to my Girth not being as large as their former partners. All women will prefer a different size than the other. Women have differing preferences just like men. Some want a canoe and some want a Titanic. Being a little above average in the vast majority of cases is an advantage. One of my lifelong friends is an extraordinary gynecologist and confirms that while sex may be pleasurable with an undersized penis and painful with an over-sized penis, stimulation of the nerves in the vagina is based on FRICTION and increased friction = increased pleasure (to an extent). End of story. One can debate or argue the fact as they wish. In the end, one shouldn't base the necessity to seek out augmentation solely based on the desires of partners they haven't even met.

Regards,

M7

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14 years 5 months ago #1272136414
@justwondering410

I'd like to offer you my opinion on your post. Firstly, your penis size is normal. Your length is plenty for most women. Average Erect length being between 5 and 7 inches. I wouldn't advise Ligamentolysis or jeopardizing your virility by Hanging, pumping, jelquing, etc. Not worth it IMHO. Your Girth is also average with average being between 4' - 5' inches. You have a perfect penis. There will be some women who absolutely are thrilled by your current dimensions and indeed some will feel "less than satisfied". The vast majority of pleasure a woman receives from intercourse is through the emotional and psychological connection/excitement she shares with her partner. From a purely physical/anatomical perspective, Girth is king when it comes to providing friction (pleasure) to the sensitive nerve endings located at the opening and within the first few inches inside the vaginal canal. I cannot and will not ever recommend alteration of one's genitalia when it falls within normal deviation. I can tell you that if I were in your position, I would focus on a healthy diet, exercise and sleep. I would also say that if I were sporting an Erection with your dimensions that I would consider enhancing solely my Girth and only by ' - ' inches in circumference. It would provide females with increased pleasure and endow you with a "more than modest" boost in confidence. That is what I would do but I must suggest that you feel confident knowing that you are normal and that "normal" has been considered wonderful by women of all ages for thousands of years. No penis is an island. Hopefully it is adjoined to a loving, caring, humorous and laborious man persistent and passionate and unwaivering in his attempt to please his partner.

Regards,

M7

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14 years 5 months ago #1272142815
I do not think that comparing porn star women to regular women is a good idea. The porn women have had so many dicks they will for sure like a bigger penises.

Regular women do like a bigger Girth, to a certain extent. The best test would be to have sex with a certain women, note her reaction, have a Girth increase, then have sex with the SAME woman, note her reaction and then compare. I have done exactly that ( I can only tell you MY own findings, make up your own mind) and I have found that two women absolutely loved my new found Girth. The length was never an issue at about 5.75" Erect, it seems, for me, to be good length for women with and without children. Every woman with children, loved the extra Girth and never complained. Women with NO children either liked the new Girth or mildly complained about it being too big.

My own findings are that women with children will have larger vaginas AND they loos some sensitivity after birth. As a result more penis Girth is needed.

Add to all this shit, is the social pressure of our fucked up society...We all have watched/heard women positively comment on big penis size. This alone had caused many men, including me, to seek larger penis.

5.5" Erect is the average American penis length by 4.8" Erect Girth (I may be off by fraction of an Inch) but you get the idea.

Good luck to the poster in his decision!



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Re: Unresolved Pre-PMMA Questions & Concerns - Please answer!

14 years 5 months ago #1272141036
justwondering410 wrote: So if that's the direction I'm going, I still have some unanswered questions. These are from the original post. These issues represent my final hesitations about the getting PMMA done:
1. My Flaccid length varies depending on the temperature and other factors. Sometimes it retracts a lot (maybe down to 1" or so if I am doing some heavy abdominal exercises). So I guess I'm considered a "Grower." What is the overall consensus from growers who have had the PMMA done? Does your Dick's tendency to retract cause the PMMA product to bunch up near the bottom of the shaft?
My penis can no longer get as small as it used to because the collagen tissue prevents the "Turtling" effect to some degree. However, my penis still wants to turtle because I have always been a hardcore Grower, so when it gets really bad, I tend to exhibit a pig-in-the-blanket effect, especially since my glans aren't anything to write home about.
justwondering410 wrote: 2. For growers: when you are Flaccid, and somewhat retracted, does the PMMA get all squished down into a blob? Or does it get retracted inside your body along with the rest of the shaft?
More like a blob for me, but like I said with the previous answer, I'm a hardcore Grower and when I turtle, my penis wants to get as "in" as possible, but the PMMA wont allow it to "go inside your body."
justwondering410 wrote: 3. Dr. C's marketing material claims that the PMMA treatment will produce avisual lengthening effect. Has anyone on the forum actually observed ANY lengthening after PMMA whatsoever? I have only been able to find stories from people who have lost a bit of length after PMMA, not gained.
The lengthening effect is just that: visual. Because the PMMA prevents your penis from shrinking as much as it used to, it tends to hang longer in the Flaccid more often. However, this does not translate into a longer Erect length.
justwondering410 wrote: 4. My penis length is average, not long. I am wondering if it will look too freakish to add 1" Girth on a 5.75" Dick. Has anyone else on the forum undergone PMMA treatment with a Dick near my size? I don't want a "choad" look. Ideally I would want the same Girth from base to shaft. I'm also afraid that the enhanced Girth may diminish the appearance of the glans, creating the optical illusion of a short, wide penis (whereas right now I have a perfect straight flawless one).
I doubt it would look freakish. I'm closing in on a 1.5" gain and I have a 5" BPEL, and I think it looks mostly normal (can thank Dr. C for some excellent tapering). That being said, I do have a sort-of "Chode" look, but have no personal complaints about it (though you might).
justwondering410 wrote: 5. I'm sure a lot of people having this procedure do NOT post any pics anywhere, so we don't really know how common these issues are. Any words of advice or opinion on real success/satisfaction rates?
You may have answered your own question there buddy. The satisfaction rates you learn of are based on those willing to share them publicly. But we know that the majority of those who have done this procedure have not submitted anything to the forums. So there could be countless dissatisfied patients and we would never know unless they chose to come forward. Always food for thought.
justwondering410 wrote: 9. This goes back to question #5... regarding deformed dicks. Some of them tend to look like they are wrapped in a sleeve, with the PMMA not really extending the full length of the shaft (leaving a gap at the base or below the glans). Why are so many of the guys on the forum ok with this look, when it clearly looks doctored? Do I understand correctly that this goes away over time?
I'm not sure that everyone is "okay" with that look. It has been known for some time that patients will have to undergo touch-up sessions to resolve contour irregularities which are more common than not. Also, the way PMMA settles + the diversity of penises = a certain degree of unpredictability. Some respond excellent to 10% PMMA while others get nothing out of it. Some have phenomenal results (i.e. Sizemic, Andy), and others have distinct rings and/or nodules. Not sure why anyone expects a penis to look 100% natural after being "doctored," ... if you choose to augment your penis artificially, chances are there will be semblance of artificiality...much like how boob jobs are obvious.
Good luck.

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Re: Unresolved Pre-PMMA Questions & Concerns - Please answer!

14 years 5 months ago #1272137719
Thanks for your thoughts M7. I do realize that my current size is ok, and that's why I'm hesitant about the procedure. It sounds like you would condone me going in for a slight Girth enhancement though, based on your comments, which I think is all I'd really want. Just something conservative to make me a bit more confident and increase the friction for her, to some degree.
So if that's the direction I'm going, I still have some unanswered questions. These are from the original post. These issues represent my final hesitations about the getting PMMA done:
1. My Flaccid length varies depending on the temperature and other factors. Sometimes it retracts a lot (maybe down to 1" or so if I am doing some heavy abdominal exercises). So I guess I'm considered a "Grower." What is the overall consensus from growers who have had the PMMA done? Does your Dick's tendency to retract cause the PMMA product to bunch up near the bottom of the shaft?
2. For growers: when you are Flaccid, and somewhat retracted, does the PMMA get all squished down into a blob? Or does it get retracted inside your body along with the rest of the shaft?
3. Dr. C's marketing material claims that the PMMA treatment will produce avisual lengthening effect. Has anyone on the forum actually observed ANY lengthening after PMMA whatsoever? I have only been able to find stories from people who have lost a bit of length after PMMA, not gained.
4. My penis length is average, not long. I am wondering if it will look too freakish to add 1" Girth on a 5.75" Dick. Has anyone else on the forum undergone PMMA treatment with a Dick near my size? I don't want a "choad" look. Ideally I would want the same Girth from base to shaft. I'm also afraid that the enhanced Girth may diminish the appearance of the glans, creating the optical illusion of a short, wide penis (whereas right now I have a perfect straight flawless one).
5. I'm sure a lot of people having this procedure do NOT post any pics anywhere, so we don't really know how common these issues are. Any words of advice or opinion on real success/satisfaction rates?
9. This goes back to question #5... regarding deformed dicks. Some of them tend to look like they are wrapped in a sleeve, with the PMMA not really extending the full length of the shaft (leaving a gap at the base or below the glans). Why are so many of the guys on the forum ok with this look, when it clearly looks doctored? Do I understand correctly that this goes away over time?
Thank you again! You guys are amazing

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14 years 5 months ago #1272134394
messageman wrote: You're absolutely right; size doesn't matter Let's stop hijacking this thread '.
It clearly matters a whole lot to men on this forum. How much does it matters to women, different story!

I don't think this is a hijack, it is the central issue per the OP.
justwondering410 wrote: I am having some anxiety about my size. I figure that since I have only had sex with one girl, I don't really have enough data to know whether my Dick is going to be satisfactory to most women.
This is the central question one should answer before one gets on the slippery slope of medical procedures.

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