--- title: "PMMA and turtling - PhalloBoards - Phalloboards" description: "Turtling f*ing sucks! It's embarrassing in what should be light-hearted situations (skinny dipping, etc) and causes anxiety right after sex, which should be a..." url: "https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/5458372-pmma-and-turtling.html" date: "2026-08-06T16:50:40+00:00" language: "en-GB" --- PhalloBoards - An Online Community to Discuss Penile Girth Enhancement General Forum Doctors Forum Username Password Remember me - [ Forgot your password? ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/component/users/reset.html?Itemid=101) - [ Forgot your username? ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/component/users/remind.html?Itemid=101) - [ Create an account ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) # TOPIC: PMMA and turtling ## Re: PMMA and turtling 14 years 11 months ago [\#1286517286](#1286517286) - **[KittenpasteCo](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/3035635-kittenpasteco.html "View KittenpasteCo's Profile")** - [![KittenpasteCo's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/3035635-kittenpasteco.html "View KittenpasteCo's Profile") - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/3035635-kittenpasteco.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 49 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=3035635) I've also had that experience with L-Arginine, coupled with very loose stool. The stuff isn't worth it - it didn't do anything for me, other than negatives. On this PMMA and anti-Turtling. How does your Flaccid motion change, when PMMA is involved? Does it still flop around or does it look more rigid? How noticeable is the weight difference? Does it feel harder than a normal Flaccid? Can PMMA be spot-targeted (like, if I want just the 2 inches behind my glans filled in)? For my current Flaccid hang, I hydrate well every day and exercise often. I also moisturize it daily, in an oil infusion I put together myself. Grapeseed oil is my base with powdered cayenne pepper, cinnamon, and licorice root. The ingredients sit in the oil for a while, before filtering them out. It feels full for hours, since the ingredients are vasodilators and skin irritants. This is used when I jelq and pump, as well. I normally hang near 6.5" but can turtle down to a firm 5.5" after a run. This is remedied by a quick tug but it's still annoying. Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9nZW5lcmFsLWZvcnVtL2dlbmVyYWwtcGhhbGxvcGxhc3R5LWRpc2N1c3Npb24tYXJjaGl2ZS81NDU4MzcyLXBtbWEtYW5kLXR1cnRsaW5nLmh0bWw/bWFya2Rvd249MQ==) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: PMMA and turtling 14 years 11 months ago [\#1286077229](#1286077229) - **[shadow45](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1843008-shadow45.html "View shadow45's Profile")** - [![shadow45's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1843008-shadow45.html "View shadow45's Profile") - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1843008-shadow45.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 17 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1843008) I have this issue too. I can get awesome Flaccid hangs from time to time when I am hydrated and completely comfortable, but as soon as stress or cold hit me I turtle up. I am 7inBPELx5.2inEG Erect, but my Flaccid looks like a child's most of the time- especially the thin Girth. I look to finally have PMMA done by this summer. I've been contemplating since 2011. The supposed improvements in Flaccid gain are as big if not a bigger selling point to me than the EG increase. People recommend L-arginine or ginger to improve hangs. I've tried the ginger- doesn't seem to do much. Anyone comment on L-arginine? 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At least 6" flaccid in length and I think I would benefit from lig-cut in combo with something else to help. Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9nZW5lcmFsLWZvcnVtL2dlbmVyYWwtcGhhbGxvcGxhc3R5LWRpc2N1c3Npb24tYXJjaGl2ZS81NDU4MzcyLXBtbWEtYW5kLXR1cnRsaW5nLmh0bWw/bWFya2Rvd249MQ==) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: PMMA and turtling 14 years 11 months ago [\#1269911096](#1269911096) - **[Skeptical\_One](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1704847-skeptical-one.html "View Skeptical_One's Profile")** - [![Skeptical_One's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/avatars/resized/size144/users/avatar1704847.png?1781856569)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1704847-skeptical-one.html "View Skeptical_One's Profile") - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1704847-skeptical-one.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 4979 - Thanks: 613 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1704847) @ttar2380 I was also a mean-turtler. It was even worse for me since I wasn't too big to begin with, so Turtling made all the above mention things (changing in gym, Hanging out after sex, etc) a real problem. I can tell you that PMMA has definitely reduced Turtling. I can't say that it has eliminated it, but it no longer can get as small as it used to. My Flaccid hangs better more frequently than before and I'm sure it's a combination of the collagen, weight, etc. I also notice that the Turtling decreased even more after my 2nd round. Turtling will still occur if you are a hardcore "Grower" type, but it will have much less impact on your Flaccid's appearance than before with PMMA. 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I wonder if it'd be better to go for a lig-cut, before getting shaft PMMA, then. Maximized length gains? Cut, heal and stretch, then PMMA. 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So I stopped taking it. I"ve also heard it's not good for those with Thyroid issues. Which I have. 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Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9nZW5lcmFsLWZvcnVtL2dlbmVyYWwtcGhhbGxvcGxhc3R5LWRpc2N1c3Npb24tYXJjaGl2ZS81NDU4MzcyLXBtbWEtYW5kLXR1cnRsaW5nLmh0bWw/bWFya2Rvd249MQ==) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: PMMA and turtling 14 years 11 months ago [\#1286517350](#1286517350) - - !['s Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg) - Pending Email Verification - ![Pending Email Verification](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank2.gif) - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=3156821) kitten, I cannot answer all your questions (as i don't have pmma), but this thread i started might help answer some of them: [ phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/has...04236#post1285504236](http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/has-pmma-changed-your-flaccid-length-7203273?pid=1285504236#post1285504236) Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9nZW5lcmFsLWZvcnVtL2dlbmVyYWwtcGhhbGxvcGxhc3R5LWRpc2N1c3Npb24tYXJjaGl2ZS81NDU4MzcyLXBtbWEtYW5kLXR1cnRsaW5nLmh0bWw/bWFya2Rvd249MQ==) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: PMMA and turtling 14 years 11 months ago [\#1286073976](#1286073976) - **[thebeast1](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/2985927-thebeast1.html "View thebeast1's Profile")** - [![thebeast1's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/2985927-thebeast1.html "View thebeast1's Profile") - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/2985927-thebeast1.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 150 - Thanks: 1 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=2985927) The main reason I'm interested in PMMA is the Flaccid gains. I've spent the year and a half Hanging, stretching and Jelqing. I've made some considerable gains Flaccid, but still suffer the Turtling. Cruel is an understatement. Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9nZW5lcmFsLWZvcnVtL2dlbmVyYWwtcGhhbGxvcGxhc3R5LWRpc2N1c3Npb24tYXJjaGl2ZS81NDU4MzcyLXBtbWEtYW5kLXR1cnRsaW5nLmh0bWw/bWFya2Rvd249MQ==) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: PMMA and turtling 14 years 11 months ago [\#1286073732](#1286073732) - **[Skeptical\_One](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1704847-skeptical-one.html "View Skeptical_One's Profile")** - [![Skeptical_One's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/avatars/resized/size144/users/avatar1704847.png?1781856569)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1704847-skeptical-one.html "View Skeptical_One's Profile") - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1704847-skeptical-one.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 4979 - Thanks: 613 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1704847) > minidog wrote: thanks for the info Skeptical One I turtle alot aswell which is really embarrassing, how long have you had PMMA for and what was your original Erect and Girth size? I haven't measured in a while but my length typically varied around 5" BPEL (and as much as 6" when I did rigorous manual PE). Pre-PMMA Girth at a forum-record of 3.5" MSEG. I have not measured my Girth since, it's a long story, but I rather not continue playing mind games with myself over achieving numbers and goals. Length has remained about the same, but Girth is certainly thick. Magnums feel snug. I should note that although my Turtling has decreased, when it does try to turtle, it can give the pig-in-the-blanket appearance which may look odd. But it is inevitable for some. The larger your shaft becomes, the more it will dwarf your glans and give said-appearance. But I'm personally okay with it because it was either that, or my former pre-PMMA penis. All in all, I've noticed with myself and a vast number of progress reports, that Turtling does diminish (in varying degrees person to person). Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9nZW5lcmFsLWZvcnVtL2dlbmVyYWwtcGhhbGxvcGxhc3R5LWRpc2N1c3Npb24tYXJjaGl2ZS81NDU4MzcyLXBtbWEtYW5kLXR1cnRsaW5nLmh0bWw/bWFya2Rvd249MQ==) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: PMMA and turtling 14 years 11 months ago [\#1286659720](#1286659720) - **[Restoration](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/2984876-restoration.html "View Restoration's Profile")** - [![Restoration's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/2984876-restoration.html "View Restoration's Profile") - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/2984876-restoration.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 1185 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=2984876) L-Citrulline helps a lot more then L-Arginine, in my experience. It's great for ED too. You can get it as a powder and take around 4-8 grams per day. Check out the comments on bodybuilding.com and you'll see what they do. Primaforce is the brand i got from amazon for $20. Anyway, yes PMMA reduced Turtling for me a lot. I am much more of a "show-er" than a Grower. I could not push the head of my penis in my shaft at all anymore, after 2 rounds. It just wont go in. The shaft doesn't scrunch up as much, either. 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I'm not fully recovered with my collagen yet but so far it seems to have made a difference that I'm happy with; who knows maybe its the extra Girth or weight of my penis but I surely feel more confident Flaccid. 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