TOPIC: Retraction / turtling and options

Hi all

I know I have an average size penis, although obvs it looks small to me, but I'm overweight and (for me) it's very easy to trigger a Turtling / retraction response so my penis will shrink right back into my body. Obviously, in situations where I'm naked if there's any kind of trigger I'll suddenly look a lot smaller and that undermines my self-confidence. Countering the impact of this is the most important thing I want to achieve.

Am I right in assuming that the most likely solution is Ligamentolysis? I'm nervous about any kind of surgery, and would prefer to avoid the risk and expense. I was looking into HA fillers as a safer, cheaper option - perhaps do that first before considering surgery later - but then I found various videos or articles that suggest that the best candidates for fillers are Circumcised (am uncircumcised), not overweight (damn!) and not prone to Turtling. I don't want to waste time, effort and money on a solution that is unlikely to be effective when my only or best option is the full Monty of Ligamentolysis plus fillers, say.

Could someone please offer their advice / guidance / experience on fillers for men with a strong retraction response? Thanks in advance.

Turtling is a tricky issue that can be reduced, but seldom outright eliminated through just one therapy/procedure. I'm not convinced Ligamentolysis provides a significant impact on Turtling, nor does Girth enhancement, but each can provide subtle relief (depending on how badly you retract in general), possibly (??) more in combination. I suppose results would vary person-to-person, since retraction seems to be variable as well.

For example, I've had a pretty significant thickening of my unit through dermal fillers, and it has helped with limiting how often and how much I retract, but has not outright eliminated it. And if I am experiencing severe retraction, I can sometimes exhibit a pig-in-the-blanket effect when Flaccid (this can be temporary resolved by stretching your shaft out or wet Jelqing).

Alpha blockers have been reported useful against Turtling but I'd consult with your doctor before attempting that therapy.

Thanks for your insight.

I had wondered if fillers provide more weight to the penis, which means it tends to hang down more, and needs more effort from the parasympathetic nervous system (assume this is the culprit) to force retraction. So, perhaps, if I were just in gym showers and possibly anxious, where before it’d retract now it wouldn’t, but if I went skinny dipping in a cold sea, it’d probably turn into a pig in a blanket .

In other words, minor psychological reasons for retraction like anxiety aren’t able to exert such a powerful effect? That’s acceptable if it could be achieved with fillers alone, avoiding ligamentolysis. After all, a mass skinny dip on New Years Day is going to affect almost everyone so not such an embarrassment! But a daily shower with other gym goers is where I want to be more relaxed.

Separately, does anyone know what’s involved in retraction? I assume multiple ligaments, and that severing these would be stupid and pointless because they serve a purpose after all, but maybe the main one is the suspensory ligament?

While having HA filler, I noticed less retraction as well. However, sometimes it really retracts if all the factors are in place, such as cold, stress or anxiety. But since we are all grown men now, we can make our own decisions, ie. I wouldn't go to showers where everybody undresses if it would bother me.

As you write about overweight, I would really consider losing weight before looking at a length operation. From my own experience with being overweight, you could hide a lot of length in the fat pad. Non bone pressed is 5.8in / 14.7cm for me, if I press it against the bone, its easy 6.5in / 16.5cm. I am on the path of losing a lot now, because of exactly those differences in measurements.

I heard about short acting creams which stimulate the blood flow. Maybe you can use one of them. Everything will feel hotter then and you get a rush of blood.

GoodDay wrote: While having HA filler, I noticed less retraction as well. However, sometimes it really retracts if all the factors are in place, such as cold, stress or anxiety. But since we are all grown men now, we can make our own decisions, ie. I wouldn't go to showers where everybody undresses if it would bother me.

As you write about overweight, I would really consider losing weight before looking at a length operation. From my own experience with being overweight, you could hide a lot of length in the fat pad. Non bone pressed is 5.8in / 14.7cm for me, if I press it against the bone, its easy 6.5in / 16.5cm. I am on the path of losing a lot now, because of exactly those differences in measurements.

I totally get that and TBH that is the best way to increase penis size - for every 3" you lose from your waist, you gain 1" on your penis, or something to that effect anyway! As with most men, losing weight is a challenge and I'm on the path to weight loss but there's no quick fix. I'd just be nice to know that a few £ spent on fillers would make me feel happier and therefore less likely to comfort-eat

Also, I don't want to adopt an avoidance strategy; I want to feel like I can take my clothes off in public just like anyone else would, not hide away in a corner or under a towel.

I'm going to ask clinics for their advice directly and collate it and see what they say about my suitability for HA fillers.

I've read somewhere, but unfortunately I ca't remember where, that there are a couple of medicines that reduce-block retraction and are in fact used after Girth enhancement procedure with HA or PMMA or Ellanse to help setting the filler uniformly.
I'm afraid though that they are only temporary and cannot be used regularly, so they don't "cure" shrinkage-Turtling.
Maybe someone else in the forum know what medicine are, they might be very helpluf to use in case you decide to undergo a filler treatment and achieve the best estethic results.

tiritera wrote: I've read somewhere, but unfortunately I ca't remember where, that there are a couple of medicines that reduce-block retraction and are in fact used after Girth enhancement procedure with HA or PMMA or Ellanse to help setting the filler uniformly.
I'm afraid though that they are only temporary and cannot be used regularly, so they don't "cure" shrinkage-Turtling.
Maybe someone else in the forum know what medicine are, they might be very helpluf to use in case you decide to undergo a filler treatment and achieve the best estethic results.

From doing TRT and cycles, I can say that the higher my T is, the fuller my Dick feels. Also, the testicles hang really low and have an easy feeling. Especially in combination with HCG. Not sure though, if this is what was mentioned in your case.

GoodDay wrote: From doing TRT and cycles, I can say that the higher my T is, the fuller my Dick feels. Also, the testicles hang really low and have an easy feeling. Especially in combination with HCG. Not sure though, if this is what was mentioned in your case.

Hi GoodDay, I'm not 100%sure but I don't think they're anything T OR HCG related. I only remember reading that some doctors use these drugs for a week or so after tretament (PMMA or Ellansè or HA) to prevent retracting and help distribute and settle the filler.

I dealt with a similar issue not overweight just a very fat fat pad.
I would suggest getting lipo of your fat pad of ur pelvic area prior to ligament release .

You’ll be surprised how much fat is covering your soldier.

Work it out in stages . Easiest solutions first

Thanks - that also makes sense. My first thought was of HA filler, then could perhaps go with lipo depending on how well I do at losing weight! And then Ligamentolysis if I felt it were warranted. It strikes me that HA filler is the simplest, cheapest and - important- safest option, so if that were good enough to be effective I’d stick with the weight loss regime. I’m not trying to match a porn star here, not trying to impress anyone, just get over a threshold of acceptability as it were. No sense taking avoidable risks if they’re unnecessary.

That also applies to taking drugs, whether TRT or other, to reduce retraction on a long term basis. I’ve mailed Androfill and await an answer.

I’m not a medical professional but this is the route i would go .

Check my test levels you might have shrinkage due to lack of testosterone.
From there lipo of the fat pad .
Keep in mind your penis can still turtle with filler. So i would wait .
Get a penis extender and attempt to stretch it out .

If all the above doesn’t give you satisfaction.
Go for filler
Then go for ligament release.

You will need to wear and extended for at least 6 months on and off after the ligament release and probably 1-2 touch up on your filler as you will have a more narrow base with the gains of length

Well here is the medical opinion -
Tadalafil (Cialis) the long acting version of Viagra makes a difference to many guys. There is a low dose, 5mg , that can be taken daily. they use is following prostate surgery to prevent long term shrinkage becoming permanent (there is something on this in my next Podcast/YouTube show with a penile rehabilitation nurse).
Alpha Blocker medication like Prazosin/Minipress. Decreases blood pressure by opening up blood vessels. Dont combine with the above/Viagra as the decrease in blood pressure may lead to death, according to the information sheet.
Yohimbi - supposedly has mild alpha blocker effect and maybe that explains its (unproven) reputation for increasing penis size. If it is an over the counter supplement where you live give it a go. Not available in Australia at all.
Testosterone level - dont know anything here on shrinkage so have to go by the stories you get here.
Ligament release - may get it to hang out more but think the reasons to get retraction are all still there so not going to stop it.
Stretching/hangin etc - sorry just dont know enough here.
Fillers - HA/PMMA/Ellanse - do make the penis heavier. Do provide some physical resistance to retractions. May make you feel confident in people seeing what you have. So yes lots of guys say they get LESS shrinkage after fillers. But for super shrinkers, guys who end up with an 'innie" rater than an "outie" it just won't work.

Just so you don’t feel alone this is me prior to everything so i can relate to massive shrinkage

About Yohimbe, be careful with dosages and start slowly, it can really increase bpm and sweating and make you really uncomfortable, and if you are not used to it, may lead to a panic attack.