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 [](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-discussion/10153500-is-anyone-happy-they-went-through-with-pmma.html#1308701277)

###  [Is anyone happy they went through with PMMA?](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-discussion/10153500-is-anyone-happy-they-went-through-with-pmma.html#1308701277 "I have appointment later this week and I am more nervous than I have ever been in my entire life, I keep thinking I am about to make a terrible decision.. I have read many stories and the results are...")

  Category: [General Phalloplasty / Penoplasty Discussion](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-discussion.html "Phalloplasty (a.k.a. penoplasty) is a field in aesthetic medicine aimed at enlarging the penis. All relevant discussion regarding girth and lengthening takes place here.")
 Topic started 5 years 7 months ago, by [Jbird123](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/6761349-jbird123.html "View Jbird123's Profile")

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 [Last Post](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-discussion/10153500-is-anyone-happy-they-went-through-with-pmma.html#1308701286 "This! I think in general people have unrealistic expectations. People should expect some minor irregularities If they increase their penis thickness by 0.75 - 1 inches. That is a massive difference....") by [Tomerrdel](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/6761451-tomerrdel.html "View Tomerrdel's Profile")  5 years 6 months ago

 [](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-discussion/10153517-ellanse-l-growth.html#1308701178)

###  [Ellanse-L Growth](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-discussion/10153517-ellanse-l-growth.html#1308701178 "Ellanse-L lasts for up to 3 years, but does anyone know how long it’s effects are? After the Ellanse-L gives away, does your girth reduce to its original size or how long until it does? I read that...")

  Category: [General Phalloplasty / Penoplasty Discussion](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-discussion.html "Phalloplasty (a.k.a. penoplasty) is a field in aesthetic medicine aimed at enlarging the penis. All relevant discussion regarding girth and lengthening takes place here.")
 Topic started 5 years 7 months ago, by [littlerascal](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/6761429-littlerascal.html "View littlerascal's Profile")

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 [Last Post](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-discussion/10153517-ellanse-l-growth.html#1308701332 "Dr. Oates, I have been thinking about this exactly since I want to get Ellanse done this March/April. Is there any possible future complications with Ellansé ? I mean after the carrier is gone, it...") by [Tomerrdel](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/6761451-tomerrdel.html "View Tomerrdel's Profile")  5 years 6 months ago

 [](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10153489-greygreygrey-gets-pmma-journal-photos-inside.html?start=30#1308701123)

###  [Greygreygrey gets PMMA \[Journal\] (Photos Inside)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10153489-greygreygrey-gets-pmma-journal-photos-inside.html?start=30#1308701123 "Starting my PMMA diary.

I just booked into The Grand Hotel in Tijuana, and tomorrow morning, I'm getting PMMA with Dr. Morales at Avanti tomorrow :blink:.

Very excited for it is an understatement....")

  Category: [Progress Reports &amp; The Patient Support Group](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group.html "BEFORE AND AFTER Photos can be found here. You will find a supportive community of like-minded men sharing their experiences with penis enlargement procedures (also known as Progress Reports).")
 Topic started 5 years 7 months ago, by [greygreygrey](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/4626266-greygreygrey.html "View greygreygrey's Profile")

- [1](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10153489-greygreygrey-gets-pmma-journal-photos-inside.html?start=0 "Page:1")
- [2](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10153489-greygreygrey-gets-pmma-journal-photos-inside.html?start=15 "Page:2")
- [3](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10153489-greygreygrey-gets-pmma-journal-photos-inside.html?start=30 "Page:3")
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- [11](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10153489-greygreygrey-gets-pmma-journal-photos-inside.html?start=150 "Page:11")

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 [Last Post](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10153489-greygreygrey-gets-pmma-journal-photos-inside.html?start=150#1308723310 "Where your eg as of now?

Did you grow?") by [Just09](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/6778955-just09.html "View Just09's Profile")  9 months 4 weeks ago

 [](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10153489-greygreygrey-gets-pmma-journal-photos-inside.html?start=15#1308700979)

###  [Greygreygrey gets PMMA \[Journal\] (Photos Inside)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10153489-greygreygrey-gets-pmma-journal-photos-inside.html?start=15#1308700979 "Starting my PMMA diary.

I just booked into The Grand Hotel in Tijuana, and tomorrow morning, I'm getting PMMA with Dr. Morales at Avanti tomorrow :blink:.

Very excited for it is an understatement....")

  Category: [Progress Reports &amp; The Patient Support Group](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group.html "BEFORE AND AFTER Photos can be found here. You will find a supportive community of like-minded men sharing their experiences with penis enlargement procedures (also known as Progress Reports).")
 Topic started 5 years 7 months ago, by [greygreygrey](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/4626266-greygreygrey.html "View greygreygrey's Profile")

- [1](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10153489-greygreygrey-gets-pmma-journal-photos-inside.html?start=0 "Page:1")
- [2](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10153489-greygreygrey-gets-pmma-journal-photos-inside.html?start=15 "Page:2")
- [3](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10153489-greygreygrey-gets-pmma-journal-photos-inside.html?start=30 "Page:3")
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- [11](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10153489-greygreygrey-gets-pmma-journal-photos-inside.html?start=150 "Page:11")

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 [Last Post](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10153489-greygreygrey-gets-pmma-journal-photos-inside.html?start=150#1308723310 "Where your eg as of now?

Did you grow?") by [Just09](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/6778955-just09.html "View Just09's Profile")  9 months 4 weeks ago

 [](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10153489-greygreygrey-gets-pmma-journal-photos-inside.html?start=15#1308700968)

###  [Greygreygrey gets PMMA \[Journal\] (Photos Inside)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10153489-greygreygrey-gets-pmma-journal-photos-inside.html?start=15#1308700968 "Starting my PMMA diary.

I just booked into The Grand Hotel in Tijuana, and tomorrow morning, I'm getting PMMA with Dr. Morales at Avanti tomorrow :blink:.

Very excited for it is an understatement....")

  Category: [Progress Reports &amp; The Patient Support Group](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group.html "BEFORE AND AFTER Photos can be found here. You will find a supportive community of like-minded men sharing their experiences with penis enlargement procedures (also known as Progress Reports).")
 Topic started 5 years 7 months ago, by [greygreygrey](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/4626266-greygreygrey.html "View greygreygrey's Profile")

- [1](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10153489-greygreygrey-gets-pmma-journal-photos-inside.html?start=0 "Page:1")
- [2](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10153489-greygreygrey-gets-pmma-journal-photos-inside.html?start=15 "Page:2")
- [3](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10153489-greygreygrey-gets-pmma-journal-photos-inside.html?start=30 "Page:3")
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- [11](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10153489-greygreygrey-gets-pmma-journal-photos-inside.html?start=150 "Page:11")

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 [Last Post](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10153489-greygreygrey-gets-pmma-journal-photos-inside.html?start=150#1308723310 "Where your eg as of now?

Did you grow?") by [Just09](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/6778955-just09.html "View Just09's Profile")  9 months 4 weeks ago

 [](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-discussion/10153487-pmma-scheduled-soon-super-nervous.html#1308700890)

###  [PMMA scheduled soon.. Super nervous](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-discussion/10153487-pmma-scheduled-soon-super-nervous.html#1308700890 "A little bit about me- I am 24 years old and I will be getting PMMA injected next week (Avanti) I cannot express how nervous I am. My ultimate fear is it being very bumpy and easily being able to be...")

  Category: [General Phalloplasty / Penoplasty Discussion](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-discussion.html "Phalloplasty (a.k.a. penoplasty) is a field in aesthetic medicine aimed at enlarging the penis. All relevant discussion regarding girth and lengthening takes place here.")
 Topic started 5 years 7 months ago, by [Jbird123](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/6761349-jbird123.html "View Jbird123's Profile")

 13 Replies

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 [Last Post](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-discussion/10153487-pmma-scheduled-soon-super-nervous.html#1308700923 "Thanks bro. I'll be there until Saturday and staying at the Grand.") by [wait\_what](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/5833442-wait-what.html "View wait_what's Profile")  5 years 7 months ago

 [](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-discussion/10153484-last-minute-concerns-before-pmma-in-three-days.html#1308700827)

###  [Last minute concerns before PMMA in three days!](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-discussion/10153484-last-minute-concerns-before-pmma-in-three-days.html#1308700827 "Anyone here willing to share any Avanti Derma PMMA regrets? I know I take a risk with anything I just really feel the benefits really out weigh any real concerns. Those being nodules or maybe some...")

  Category: [General Phalloplasty / Penoplasty Discussion](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-discussion.html "Phalloplasty (a.k.a. penoplasty) is a field in aesthetic medicine aimed at enlarging the penis. All relevant discussion regarding girth and lengthening takes place here.")
 Topic started 5 years 7 months ago, by [New\_member](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/6760936-new-member.html "View New_member's Profile")

- [1](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-discussion/10153484-last-minute-concerns-before-pmma-in-three-days.html?start=0 "Page:1")
- [2](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-discussion/10153484-last-minute-concerns-before-pmma-in-three-days.html?start=15 "Page:2")
- [3](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-discussion/10153484-last-minute-concerns-before-pmma-in-three-days.html?start=30 "Page:3")
- [4](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-discussion/10153484-last-minute-concerns-before-pmma-in-three-days.html?start=45 "Page:4")

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 [Last Post](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-discussion/10153484-last-minute-concerns-before-pmma-in-three-days.html?start=45#1308703789 "Ah okay great :) :)

I m 2 years out (last Session Pmma) but I never took Cialis, Tadalafil …… in my life !! ;) :cheer:

Soon I will start.") by [PmmaFan](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/6760642-pmmafan.html "View PmmaFan's Profile")  5 years 1 month ago

 [](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-discussion/10153481-time-to-bite-the-bullet-need-advice-please.html#1308700824)

###  [Time to bite the bullet (need advice please)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-discussion/10153481-time-to-bite-the-bullet-need-advice-please.html#1308700824 "i been jelquing, hanging, bathmating religiously for almost a year (2 days on 1 day off) and still havent seen a single result. and on my day off i wear a well reviewed cock ring and jelque. im about...")

  Category: [General Phalloplasty / Penoplasty Discussion](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-discussion.html "Phalloplasty (a.k.a. penoplasty) is a field in aesthetic medicine aimed at enlarging the penis. All relevant discussion regarding girth and lengthening takes place here.")
 Topic started 5 years 7 months ago, by [Unhung1](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/6452834-unhung1.html "View Unhung1's Profile")

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 [Last Post](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-discussion/10153481-time-to-bite-the-bullet-need-advice-please.html#1308701428 "I would stop with the jelqing. It does nothing. Focus on stretches to elongate your penis. You have use your hands, hang, or use a traction stretcher. Girth is very hard to achieve with manual PE....") by [New1inch](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1727852-new1inch.html "View New1inch's Profile")  5 years 6 months ago

 [](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-discussion/10153475-if-you-could-choose-to-do-one-for-free-would-you-choose-pmma-or-ellanse.html#1308700721)

###  [If you could choose to do one for free would you choose PMMA or Ellanse?](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-discussion/10153475-if-you-could-choose-to-do-one-for-free-would-you-choose-pmma-or-ellanse.html#1308700721 "Let's say you can get one of these procedures for free tomorrow, if you already got one of these or any other fillers/ implants let's just say you don't have them

I really wanna know y'all opinion!")

  Category: [General Phalloplasty / Penoplasty Discussion](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-discussion.html "Phalloplasty (a.k.a. penoplasty) is a field in aesthetic medicine aimed at enlarging the penis. All relevant discussion regarding girth and lengthening takes place here.")
 Topic started 5 years 8 months ago, by [LilDracoNeedMoreGirth](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/6761068-lildraconeedmoregirth.html "View LilDracoNeedMoreGirth's Profile")

 2 Replies

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 [Last Post](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-discussion/10153475-if-you-could-choose-to-do-one-for-free-would-you-choose-pmma-or-ellanse.html#1308700734 "If I could choose one for free I would go with what I currently have Ellanse. It being semi permanent is what persuaded with me.") by [GirthyGoals](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/6760537-girthygoals.html "View GirthyGoals's Profile")  5 years 8 months ago

 [](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/manual-pe-exercise-equipment/10153401-pumps.html#1308700392)

###  [Pumps](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/manual-pe-exercise-equipment/10153401-pumps.html#1308700392 "I used to have a pump a year ago. It was making my penis curvy upwards so I stopped I got scared. I was focusing on my weight , I lost a shit ton of weight, covid hit I regained . I’m back on...")

  Category: [Penis Enlargement Exercises &amp; Devices](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/manual-pe-exercise-equipment.html "Alternative methods of enlarging the penis through routine physical manipulation of the penis with or without the aid of specialized equipment. Topics include stretching, hanging, jelqing, clamping, and pumping.")
 Topic started 5 years 8 months ago, by [Johnny1220](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/6759976-johnny1220.html "View Johnny1220's Profile")

 9 Replies

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 [Last Post](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/manual-pe-exercise-equipment/10153401-pumps.html#1308700511 "So I got my leluv pump. Works great. Only issue is my last pump the cylinder was bigger. This cylinder is alittle smaller. Should I exchange it ? What should I do because I’ve heard for girth gains...") by [Johnny1220](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/6759976-johnny1220.html "View Johnny1220's Profile")  5 years 8 months ago

 [](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/manual-pe-exercise-equipment/10153401-pumps.html#1308700390)

###  [Pumps](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/manual-pe-exercise-equipment/10153401-pumps.html#1308700390 "I used to have a pump a year ago. It was making my penis curvy upwards so I stopped I got scared. I was focusing on my weight , I lost a shit ton of weight, covid hit I regained . I’m back on...")

  Category: [Penis Enlargement Exercises &amp; Devices](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/manual-pe-exercise-equipment.html "Alternative methods of enlarging the penis through routine physical manipulation of the penis with or without the aid of specialized equipment. Topics include stretching, hanging, jelqing, clamping, and pumping.")
 Topic started 5 years 8 months ago, by [Johnny1220](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/6759976-johnny1220.html "View Johnny1220's Profile")

 9 Replies

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 [Last Post](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/manual-pe-exercise-equipment/10153401-pumps.html#1308700511 "So I got my leluv pump. Works great. Only issue is my last pump the cylinder was bigger. This cylinder is alittle smaller. Should I exchange it ? What should I do because I’ve heard for girth gains...") by [Johnny1220](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/6759976-johnny1220.html "View Johnny1220's Profile")  5 years 8 months ago

 [](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/manual-pe-exercise-equipment/10153401-pumps.html#1308700386)

###  [Pumps](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/manual-pe-exercise-equipment/10153401-pumps.html#1308700386 "I used to have a pump a year ago. It was making my penis curvy upwards so I stopped I got scared. I was focusing on my weight , I lost a shit ton of weight, covid hit I regained . I’m back on...")

  Category: [Penis Enlargement Exercises &amp; Devices](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/manual-pe-exercise-equipment.html "Alternative methods of enlarging the penis through routine physical manipulation of the penis with or without the aid of specialized equipment. Topics include stretching, hanging, jelqing, clamping, and pumping.")
 Topic started 5 years 8 months ago, by [Johnny1220](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/6759976-johnny1220.html "View Johnny1220's Profile")

 9 Replies

 2575 Views

 [Last Post](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/manual-pe-exercise-equipment/10153401-pumps.html#1308700511 "So I got my leluv pump. Works great. Only issue is my last pump the cylinder was bigger. This cylinder is alittle smaller. Should I exchange it ? What should I do because I’ve heard for girth gains...") by [Johnny1220](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/6759976-johnny1220.html "View Johnny1220's Profile")  5 years 8 months ago

 [](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-discussion/10153396-newbie-here.html#1308700359)

###  [newbie here!](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-discussion/10153396-newbie-here.html#1308700359 "So I have been following this board for a while now and finally decided to sign up. Just to give you a guys a glimpse of the problems I am having...Im only 4.25" bpel and 4" e.g. I have a good amount...")

  Category: [General Phalloplasty / Penoplasty Discussion](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-discussion.html "Phalloplasty (a.k.a. penoplasty) is a field in aesthetic medicine aimed at enlarging the penis. All relevant discussion regarding girth and lengthening takes place here.")
 Topic started 5 years 9 months ago, by [jhp825](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/6761245-jhp825.html "View jhp825's Profile")

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 [Last Post](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-discussion/10153396-newbie-here.html#1308700397 "Glad to see another pnw guy here. Lose weight, do manual PE for length, and then go to avanti derma for girth.") by [ToughPilllToSwallow](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/6623920-toughpillltoswallow.html "View ToughPilllToSwallow's Profile")  5 years 8 months ago

 [](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-discussion/10153038-dr-carney-photos-inside.html?start=60#1308700336)

###  [Dr. Carney (Photos Inside)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-discussion/10153038-dr-carney-photos-inside.html?start=60#1308700336 "Might be a little early, but I decided to make this here. I have been in talks with Allen for a little while now, and have settled on my preferred option. I have a phone consultation Tuesday morning...")

  Category: [General Phalloplasty / Penoplasty Discussion](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-discussion.html "Phalloplasty (a.k.a. penoplasty) is a field in aesthetic medicine aimed at enlarging the penis. All relevant discussion regarding girth and lengthening takes place here.")
 Topic started 6 years 4 months ago, by [Christian54642](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/6760195-christian54642.html "View Christian54642's Profile")

- [1](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-discussion/10153038-dr-carney-photos-inside.html?start=0 "Page:1")
- [2](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-discussion/10153038-dr-carney-photos-inside.html?start=15 "Page:2")
- [3](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-discussion/10153038-dr-carney-photos-inside.html?start=30 "Page:3")
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- [5](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-discussion/10153038-dr-carney-photos-inside.html?start=60 "Page:5")

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 [Last Post](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-discussion/10153038-dr-carney-photos-inside.html?start=60#1308702083 "After the lig cut... how is your erection angle? Does it point lower than usual?") by [Orochimaru46](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/6760786-orochimaru46.html "View Orochimaru46's Profile")  5 years 5 months ago

 [](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-discussion/10153388-how-does-it-feel-to-have-fillers.html#1308700244)

###  [How does it feel to have fillers](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-discussion/10153388-how-does-it-feel-to-have-fillers.html#1308700244 "How do you feel with it, is pleasure from sex any worse? Is getting hard harder? Do you last longer? etc etc")

  Category: [General Phalloplasty / Penoplasty Discussion](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-discussion.html "Phalloplasty (a.k.a. penoplasty) is a field in aesthetic medicine aimed at enlarging the penis. All relevant discussion regarding girth and lengthening takes place here.")
 Topic started 5 years 9 months ago, by [LilDracoNeedMoreGirth](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/6761068-lildraconeedmoregirth.html "View LilDracoNeedMoreGirth's Profile")

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 [Last Post](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-discussion/10153388-how-does-it-feel-to-have-fillers.html#1308700292 "What you guys think is the difference in hardness in regard to the circumcision style (loose/ tight) when it belongs to fillers.

Anyone which filler stays/ feels hard with uncut penis?") by [PmmaFan](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/6760642-pmmafan.html "View PmmaFan's Profile")  5 years 9 months ago

 [](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/manual-pe-exercise-equipment/10153363-primer-erect-length-gains.html#1308700243)

###  [Primer - Erect Length Gains](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/manual-pe-exercise-equipment/10153363-primer-erect-length-gains.html#1308700243 "Hey guys,

I’m looking to gain erect length.

Is there a good primer on exercises and devices?")

  Category: [Penis Enlargement Exercises &amp; Devices](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/manual-pe-exercise-equipment.html "Alternative methods of enlarging the penis through routine physical manipulation of the penis with or without the aid of specialized equipment. Topics include stretching, hanging, jelqing, clamping, and pumping.")
 Topic started 5 years 9 months ago, by [Lookingforanswersnow](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/6760699-lookingforanswersnow.html "View Lookingforanswersnow's Profile")

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 [](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10153298-greys-circumcision-and-ellanse-journey-photos-inside.html?start=15#1308700221)

###  [Grey's Circumcision and Ellansé Journey (Photos Inside)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10153298-greys-circumcision-and-ellanse-journey-photos-inside.html?start=15#1308700221 "I thought I would start off a diary here.

My journey with penis enlargement has been going on for over 6 years now, which started with jelqing, then went to extending, pumping, hanging, clamping, you...")

  Category: [Progress Reports &amp; The Patient Support Group](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group.html "BEFORE AND AFTER Photos can be found here. You will find a supportive community of like-minded men sharing their experiences with penis enlargement procedures (also known as Progress Reports).")
 Topic started 5 years 11 months ago, by [greygreygrey](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/4626266-greygreygrey.html "View greygreygrey's Profile")

- [1](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10153298-greys-circumcision-and-ellanse-journey-photos-inside.html?start=0 "Page:1")
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- [3](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10153298-greys-circumcision-and-ellanse-journey-photos-inside.html?start=30 "Page:3")

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 [](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-discussion/10153375-cavi-lipo-for-fat-pad-reduction.html#1308700142)

###  [Cavi-lipo for fat pad reduction?](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-discussion/10153375-cavi-lipo-for-fat-pad-reduction.html#1308700142 "I apologize if this is in the wrong section. Has anyone considered using cavi-lipo to reduce their fat pad as opposed to liposuction? I have about a 1-1.5 inch fat pad and would love to decrease it...")

  Category: [General Phalloplasty / Penoplasty Discussion](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-discussion.html "Phalloplasty (a.k.a. penoplasty) is a field in aesthetic medicine aimed at enlarging the penis. All relevant discussion regarding girth and lengthening takes place here.")
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 [](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/manual-pe-exercise-equipment/10153372-jes-extender.html#1308700136)

###  [Jes extender](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/manual-pe-exercise-equipment/10153372-jes-extender.html#1308700136 "Hello everyone, I recently bought the jes extender and I’ve been wearing it about a week. Has anyone with fillers had issues with using an extender? Has anyone had EL gains with using an extender...")

  Category: [Penis Enlargement Exercises &amp; Devices](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/manual-pe-exercise-equipment.html "Alternative methods of enlarging the penis through routine physical manipulation of the penis with or without the aid of specialized equipment. Topics include stretching, hanging, jelqing, clamping, and pumping.")
 Topic started 5 years 9 months ago, by [snakecharm3r](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/6760616-snakecharm3r.html "View snakecharm3r's Profile")

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 [Last Post](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/manual-pe-exercise-equipment/10153372-jes-extender.html#1308700136 "Yeah I worked up to that. Took a few weeks before I could go for 4 hours. In the beginning I was doing maybe an hour or so.

Yes, the gain was in El.") by [Noxcuse](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/6759936-noxcuse.html "View Noxcuse's Profile")  5 years 9 months ago

 [](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-discussion/10153375-cavi-lipo-for-fat-pad-reduction.html#1308700134)

###  [Cavi-lipo for fat pad reduction?](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-discussion/10153375-cavi-lipo-for-fat-pad-reduction.html#1308700134 "I apologize if this is in the wrong section. Has anyone considered using cavi-lipo to reduce their fat pad as opposed to liposuction? I have about a 1-1.5 inch fat pad and would love to decrease it...")

  Category: [General Phalloplasty / Penoplasty Discussion](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-discussion.html "Phalloplasty (a.k.a. penoplasty) is a field in aesthetic medicine aimed at enlarging the penis. All relevant discussion regarding girth and lengthening takes place here.")
 Topic started 5 years 9 months ago, by [Noxcuse](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/6759936-noxcuse.html "View Noxcuse's Profile")

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 [Last Post](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-discussion/10153375-cavi-lipo-for-fat-pad-reduction.html#1308707105 "i am as skinny as they come with next to none body fat besides my fat pad lol. i don't think you can exercise it away if you are already skinny cause from what i read your fat pad is the last to go....") by [Unhung1](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/6452834-unhung1.html "View Unhung1's Profile")  4 years 4 months ago

 [](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/manual-pe-exercise-equipment/10153372-jes-extender.html#1308700126)

###  [Jes extender](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/manual-pe-exercise-equipment/10153372-jes-extender.html#1308700126 "Hello everyone, I recently bought the jes extender and I’ve been wearing it about a week. Has anyone with fillers had issues with using an extender? Has anyone had EL gains with using an extender...")

  Category: [Penis Enlargement Exercises &amp; Devices](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/manual-pe-exercise-equipment.html "Alternative methods of enlarging the penis through routine physical manipulation of the penis with or without the aid of specialized equipment. Topics include stretching, hanging, jelqing, clamping, and pumping.")
 Topic started 5 years 9 months ago, by [snakecharm3r](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/6760616-snakecharm3r.html "View snakecharm3r's Profile")

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 [Last Post](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/manual-pe-exercise-equipment/10153372-jes-extender.html#1308700136 "Yeah I worked up to that. Took a few weeks before I could go for 4 hours. In the beginning I was doing maybe an hour or so.

Yes, the gain was in El.") by [Noxcuse](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/6759936-noxcuse.html "View Noxcuse's Profile")  5 years 9 months ago

 [](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/manual-pe-exercise-equipment/10153363-primer-erect-length-gains.html#1308700058)

###  [Primer - Erect Length Gains](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/manual-pe-exercise-equipment/10153363-primer-erect-length-gains.html#1308700058 "Hey guys,

I’m looking to gain erect length.

Is there a good primer on exercises and devices?")

  Category: [Penis Enlargement Exercises &amp; Devices](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/manual-pe-exercise-equipment.html "Alternative methods of enlarging the penis through routine physical manipulation of the penis with or without the aid of specialized equipment. Topics include stretching, hanging, jelqing, clamping, and pumping.")
 Topic started 5 years 9 months ago, by [Lookingforanswersnow](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/6760699-lookingforanswersnow.html "View Lookingforanswersnow's Profile")

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 [Last Post](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/manual-pe-exercise-equipment/10153363-primer-erect-length-gains.html#1308700512 "If my flaccid is at zero, is it healthy enough to force yourself to get hard so I can wear a stretcher . I too am looking for erect gains. I just started pumping. Which stretcher would work for me in my case") by [Johnny1220](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/6759976-johnny1220.html "View Johnny1220's Profile")  5 years 8 months ago

 [](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10153333-my-pmma-journey-first-procedure-scheduled-9-17-photos-inside.html?start=30#1308699894)

###  [My PMMA Journey - First Procedure Scheduled 9/17 (Photos Inside)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10153333-my-pmma-journey-first-procedure-scheduled-9-17-photos-inside.html?start=30#1308699894 "Hello all,

I am very excited that I just scheduled my first PMMA procedure with Dr. Morales for Monday afternoon. I will keep you guys in the loop with pictures and detailed explanations of my...")

  Category: [Progress Reports &amp; The Patient Support Group](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group.html "BEFORE AND AFTER Photos can be found here. You will find a supportive community of like-minded men sharing their experiences with penis enlargement procedures (also known as Progress Reports).")
 Topic started 5 years 10 months ago, by [Chop](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/6760684-chop.html "View Chop's Profile")

- [1](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10153333-my-pmma-journey-first-procedure-scheduled-9-17-photos-inside.html?start=0 "Page:1")
- [2](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10153333-my-pmma-journey-first-procedure-scheduled-9-17-photos-inside.html?start=15 "Page:2")
- [3](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10153333-my-pmma-journey-first-procedure-scheduled-9-17-photos-inside.html?start=30 "Page:3")

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 [](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-discussion/10153332-how-long-for-ellanse-collagen-rebuild.html#1308699683)

###  [How long for Ellanse / Collagen rebuild?](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-discussion/10153332-how-long-for-ellanse-collagen-rebuild.html#1308699683 "I've seen the chart from Ellanse that shows about 6-8 weeks, is the full rebuild time. But for those that have had Ellanse, did you experience the reduction in size, and then an increase from...")

  Category: [General Phalloplasty / Penoplasty Discussion](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-discussion.html "Phalloplasty (a.k.a. penoplasty) is a field in aesthetic medicine aimed at enlarging the penis. All relevant discussion regarding girth and lengthening takes place here.")
 Topic started 5 years 10 months ago, by [dstern22](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/2001376-dstern22.html "View dstern22's Profile")

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 [Last Post](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-discussion/10153332-how-long-for-ellanse-collagen-rebuild.html#1308699811 "Dermal fillers like PMMA, Ellanse, and Radiesse stimulate collagen growth, and that collagen is effectively your "new" girth. Products and supplements that aid in collagen health/production in...") by [Skeptical\_One](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1704847-skeptical-one.html "View Skeptical_One's Profile")  5 years 10 months ago

 [](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-discussion/10153293-logistics-planning-with-avati-and-dr-c.html#1308699303)

###  [Logistics/Planning with Avati and Dr. C](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-discussion/10153293-logistics-planning-with-avati-and-dr-c.html#1308699303 "Gents,

Firstly, I appreciate everyone here that has contributed for so long and given a wonderful resource on enhancement. I’m a 33 year old married with children. I stumbled on this site when...")

  Category: [General Phalloplasty / Penoplasty Discussion](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-discussion.html "Phalloplasty (a.k.a. penoplasty) is a field in aesthetic medicine aimed at enlarging the penis. All relevant discussion regarding girth and lengthening takes place here.")
 Topic started 5 years 11 months ago, by [New\_member](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/6760936-new-member.html "View New_member's Profile")

- [1](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-discussion/10153293-logistics-planning-with-avati-and-dr-c.html?start=0 "Page:1")
- [2](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-discussion/10153293-logistics-planning-with-avati-and-dr-c.html?start=15 "Page:2")

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 [Last Post](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-discussion/10153293-logistics-planning-with-avati-and-dr-c.html?start=15#1308699372 "So I’ve decided to lean towards Ellase for my first trip, unless the clinic gives further reassurance around PMMA with Linnea. I actually fell confident in the product just unsure how my dick will...") by [New\_member](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/6760936-new-member.html "View New_member's Profile")  5 years 11 months ago

 [](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10153278-ha-at-morganstern-rejuvall-photos-inside.html#1308699222)

###  [HA at Morganstern rejuvall (Photos Inside)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10153278-ha-at-morganstern-rejuvall-photos-inside.html#1308699222 "Hello all, hope everyone is well

I leave in the morning to fly to Atlanta and get HA at Morganstern rejuvall. This is really the first step to PE that I’ve taken. (aside from some manual PE and...")

  Category: [Progress Reports &amp; The Patient Support Group](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group.html "BEFORE AND AFTER Photos can be found here. You will find a supportive community of like-minded men sharing their experiences with penis enlargement procedures (also known as Progress Reports).")
 Topic started 5 years 11 months ago, by [snakecharm3r](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/6760616-snakecharm3r.html "View snakecharm3r's Profile")

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- [2](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10153278-ha-at-morganstern-rejuvall-photos-inside.html?start=15 "Page:2")
- [3](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10153278-ha-at-morganstern-rejuvall-photos-inside.html?start=30 "Page:3")
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 [Last Post](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10153278-ha-at-morganstern-rejuvall-photos-inside.html?start=60#1308705282 "From what I know Rejuvall doesn't do cannulas but they do needles for the whole thing at different spots. That might be why you've reported a longer recovery period than others seem to, because most...") by [talinn](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/6763490-talinn.html "View talinn's Profile")  4 years 10 months ago

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###  [New to PE, I would appreciate any advice please.](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/manual-pe-exercise-equipment/10153257-new-to-pe-i-would-appreciate-any-advice-please.html#1308699034 "What's up everyone! I have been reading on this forum for a while now, but still haven't gotten answers that I was quiet looking for.

I have Phallosan Forte, as well as Penimaster Pro. Phallosan...")

  Category: [Penis Enlargement Exercises &amp; Devices](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/manual-pe-exercise-equipment.html "Alternative methods of enlarging the penis through routine physical manipulation of the penis with or without the aid of specialized equipment. Topics include stretching, hanging, jelqing, clamping, and pumping.")
 Topic started 5 years 11 months ago, by [Zeal](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/4739766-zeal.html "View Zeal's Profile")

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 [Last Post](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/manual-pe-exercise-equipment/10153257-new-to-pe-i-would-appreciate-any-advice-please.html#1308699396 "You might find more answers to your PE questions on a forum just dedicated to PE like

 www.thundersplace.org/public-forums/") by [Shetland](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/6760975-shetland.html "View Shetland's Profile")  5 years 10 months ago

 [](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-discussion/10153245-ellanse-w-dr-c.html#1308698992)

###  [Ellanse w/Dr C.](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-discussion/10153245-ellanse-w-dr-c.html#1308698992 "I won't give an in depth journal of this experience, many others have done that, so if you are going to Avanti Derma, you should have a good idea of what to expect. Clean, bright VERY professional...")

  Category: [General Phalloplasty / Penoplasty Discussion](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-discussion.html "Phalloplasty (a.k.a. penoplasty) is a field in aesthetic medicine aimed at enlarging the penis. All relevant discussion regarding girth and lengthening takes place here.")
 Topic started 6 years 12 hours ago, by [dstern22](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/2001376-dstern22.html "View dstern22's Profile")

- [1](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-discussion/10153245-ellanse-w-dr-c.html?start=0 "Page:1")
- [2](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-discussion/10153245-ellanse-w-dr-c.html?start=15 "Page:2")

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 [Last Post](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-discussion/10153245-ellanse-w-dr-c.html?start=15#1308699828 "I would listen to Morales if she literally had the issue in her hands.

I don't think light, brief pumping is a major issue, whether it's done or not. I'd be more apt to spend the time massaging more...") by [justn8](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1800690-justn8.html "View justn8's Profile")  5 years 10 months ago

 [](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-discussion/10153202-question-about-before-and-after-photos.html#1308698595)

###  [Question about before and after photos](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-discussion/10153202-question-about-before-and-after-photos.html#1308698595 "Does anyone else find it odd that doctors never post before and after photos that are erect? It's always flaccid before and after. I don't know about you guys but what I care about are what the...")

  Category: [General Phalloplasty / Penoplasty Discussion](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-discussion.html "Phalloplasty (a.k.a. penoplasty) is a field in aesthetic medicine aimed at enlarging the penis. All relevant discussion regarding girth and lengthening takes place here.")
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 [Last Post](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-discussion/10153202-question-about-before-and-after-photos.html#1308698695 "You were lucky it was your paediatrician. For most it was their priest.") by [Dr\_Oates](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/4460953-dr-oates.html "View Dr_Oates's Profile")  6 years 2 weeks ago

 [](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10153147-jacks10-pmma-journal-avanti-derma-beginning-january-22-2020-photos-inside.html?start=30#1308698486)

###  [Jacks10 PMMA Journal, Avanti Derma - Beginning January 22, 2020 (Photos Inside)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10153147-jacks10-pmma-journal-avanti-derma-beginning-january-22-2020-photos-inside.html?start=30#1308698486 "I have now just completed my second round of PMMA with Dr. C and decided that it's probably time to begin sharing my experience, which started on January 22nd, 2020.

The initial question here is why?...")

  Category: [Progress Reports &amp; The Patient Support Group](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group.html "BEFORE AND AFTER Photos can be found here. You will find a supportive community of like-minded men sharing their experiences with penis enlargement procedures (also known as Progress Reports).")
 Topic started 6 years 1 month ago, by [Jacks10](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/6699101-jacks10.html "View Jacks10's Profile")

- [1](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10153147-jacks10-pmma-journal-avanti-derma-beginning-january-22-2020-photos-inside.html?start=0 "Page:1")
- [2](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10153147-jacks10-pmma-journal-avanti-derma-beginning-january-22-2020-photos-inside.html?start=15 "Page:2")
- [3](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10153147-jacks10-pmma-journal-avanti-derma-beginning-january-22-2020-photos-inside.html?start=30 "Page:3")
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