--- title: "Chester's Length Progress Report - PhalloBoards - Phalloboards" description: "Prior to my lig cut when I was 21 (I'm 42), I probably used to hang around 3" FL (I'm 4" FL). Shit bothered me to no end. The only... - Page 6" url: "https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/patient-support-group-progress-reports/8449642-chesters-length-progress-report.html?start=75" date: "2026-08-06T11:24:23+00:00" language: "en-GB" --- PhalloBoards - An Online Community to Discuss Penile Girth Enhancement General Forum Doctors Forum Username Password Remember me - [ Forgot your password? ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/component/users/reset.html?Itemid=101) - [ Forgot your username? ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/component/users/remind.html?Itemid=101) - [ Create an account ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) # TOPIC: Chester's Length Progress Report ## Re: Chester's Length Progress Report 7 years 6 months ago [\#1307142406](#1307142406) - **[chester](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/4437325-chester.html "View chester's Profile")** - [![chester's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/4437325-chester.html "View chester's Profile") Topic Author - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/4437325-chester.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 808 - Thanks: 11 - - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=4437325) Hi there, I've never used the Zen Hanger, only the x4labs product. I used it only temporarily, as I was more inclined to hang, so I won't be much help in terms of teaching you usage/settings. Frankly stretching has never really beven effective for me, mainly because it's simply too uncomfortable to establish the right tension needed for growth. However, this varies person to person. I simply prefer Hanging due to comfort, as in because I've found a setup that's simply more comfortable, which I outline in this thread. 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But I personally do not like the zenhanger. Its not good for over a few pounds and starts to hurt like a mother fucker. I repurposed mine for light weight long hangs ; like 2lbs for an hour or more. I also, like you, did not enjoy the x4 at all. I prefer Hanging. and it will produce the fastest results IMO. To be clear, I have only been Hanging since November , But there have been small gains already: both visually and measurably. There not huge gains by any means . but they are gains. I not yet "counting" the measurements though until I get a few more clicks down the tape to rule out any margin of error or user error. Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9mb3J1bS9wYXRpZW50LXN1cHBvcnQtZ3JvdXAtcHJvZ3Jlc3MtcmVwb3J0cy84NDQ5NjQyLWNoZXN0ZXJzLWxlbmd0aC1wcm9ncmVzcy1yZXBvcnQuaHRtbD9tYXJrZG93bj0xJnN0YXJ0PTc1) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: Chester's Length Progress Report 7 years 6 months ago [\#1307144050](#1307144050) - **[Unhung1](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/6452834-unhung1.html "View Unhung1's Profile")** - [![Unhung1's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/6452834-unhung1.html "View Unhung1's Profile") - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/6452834-unhung1.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 225 - Thanks: 9 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=6452834) Hey ty for both replies I truly appreciate them . I think I actually confused the name of the hanger, I meant this one [ www.penis-hanger.de/deutsch/produkte/penis-hanger/](https://www.penis-hanger.de/deutsch/produkte/penis-hanger/) He is a official sponsor of the site or least one of them.. But it looks like his hanger is same as this one [ www.malehanger.com](https://www.malehanger.com) and basically the same cost.. Is there a specific hanger that either of yous recommend, and yes cost is a issue, I'd like to spend as little as possible but I do also want good quality and something that will work , thanks Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9mb3J1bS9wYXRpZW50LXN1cHBvcnQtZ3JvdXAtcHJvZ3Jlc3MtcmVwb3J0cy84NDQ5NjQyLWNoZXN0ZXJzLWxlbmd0aC1wcm9ncmVzcy1yZXBvcnQuaHRtbD9tYXJrZG93bj0xJnN0YXJ0PTc1) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: Chester's Length Progress Report 7 years 6 months ago [\#1307173483](#1307173483) - **[Verbatimon](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/6427476-verbatimon.html "View Verbatimon's Profile")** - [![Verbatimon's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/6427476-verbatimon.html "View Verbatimon's Profile") - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/6427476-verbatimon.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 3 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=6427476) That one looks like a cheaper made Bib Hanger. I'm going to go with LG but it's expensive. 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Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9mb3J1bS9wYXRpZW50LXN1cHBvcnQtZ3JvdXAtcHJvZ3Jlc3MtcmVwb3J0cy84NDQ5NjQyLWNoZXN0ZXJzLWxlbmd0aC1wcm9ncmVzcy1yZXBvcnQuaHRtbD9tYXJrZG93bj0xJnN0YXJ0PTc1) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: Chester's Length Progress Report 7 years 6 months ago [\#1307218787](#1307218787) - **[chester](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/4437325-chester.html "View chester's Profile")** - [![chester's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/4437325-chester.html "View chester's Profile") Topic Author - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/4437325-chester.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 808 - Thanks: 11 - - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=4437325) #22, I still do, but not everyday, as I did in the beginning. I hang maybe two or three times per week, still employing the low weight/long-duration format. These days I hang with about 4.25 lbs. Maybe I'll kick it up another quarter pound soon. Despite having three different lengthening/thickening tools, a bathmate, x4 labs stretcher & custom Hanger, I really only use the latter, and it's due to comfort. Can't say which is the best one for growth but my custom Hanging setup is so comfortable that I don't even notice it, and it's the one I can do with the most frequency of all, so it's the best for me for that reason. Ultimately, I think that should be what does it for you, whatever method you can use that allows you to keep some level of consistency, even if it's minor, like mine. I can stand, walk around, do things in my apartment and sit on the edge of the bed to watch TV. I'm not confined, as a result, and this cannot be said with the other methods. 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In my opinion and experience, Hanging not only improves length but also some Girth and EQ. I would recommend light Hanging for men that are going through EQ issues. Starting very light, of course, but employing long-duration....also, cleaning up your diet and removing excessive bad fats. 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If you incorporate it into your lifestyle, and don't see it as a detraction, you're much more likely to succeed. 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I'm not confined, as a result, and this cannot be said with the other methods. So you are stressing the ligaments in different angles (but mainly straight down) depending on what activity you are doing, right? According to what i've read, this could slow down your gains. It's usually suggested to stress one angle at time (like for months) untill you have maximized gains from that angle, without giving it time to heal and grow stronger but not longer (this can happen if you change angles too much). The first position usually recomended is the BTC (between the cheecks): basically stay on the edge of chair/bed with your legs up (for example put them on another chair) and the Dick going down with the weight. This puts max stress to the ligs. Then, when ligs are maxed out, one should start addressing the tunica with other angles, like OTS (on the shoulder) and fulcrum usage. That's the theory I read and wanted to share, as it could be useful to some. I just finished my first ever Hanging session with 2x40min BTC and 2lbs weight. While i like the stretching sensation, I found the excersize uncomfortable, because I was very limited to things I could do while Hanging. So I may go with a SD (straight down) angle like yours, even if the gains could be theoretically slower. Hope some other hangers can chime in with opinions on this. 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The main thing is to choose the manner in which it allows you to stay consistent, because consistency is what's going to create your growth, not the angle you choose. 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That's how we did it back in the day. Shady as hell. As for the doctor's name, or office, I have no idea. Yes my length, both Flaccid and Erect, improved. If you're going to do it, just make sure to hang religiously once the doctor clears you to, and follow his/her instructions very carefully. 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