--- title: "justdoit's pmma journey - PhalloBoards - Phalloboards" description: "My Research and Experiences: Hello all. I've been reading here on and off for about one year and finally became a member in... - Page 10" url: "https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/patient-support-group-progress-reports/7780191-justdoits-pmma-journey.html?start=135" date: "2026-08-06T20:53:09+00:00" language: "en-GB" --- PhalloBoards - An Online Community to Discuss Penile Girth Enhancement General Forum Doctors Forum Username Password Remember me - [ Forgot your password? ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/component/users/reset.html?Itemid=101) - [ Forgot your username? ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/component/users/remind.html?Itemid=101) - [ Create an account ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) # TOPIC: justdoit's pmma journey ## Re: justdoit's pmma journey 9 years 11 months ago [\#1293306285](#1293306285) - **[CPW](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/4219805-cpw.html "View CPW's Profile")** - [![CPW's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/4219805-cpw.html "View CPW's Profile") - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/4219805-cpw.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 301 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=4219805) @justdoit, How is it going buddy? It's been a long time. I hope all is well. You keeping that monster contained? Best regards, CPW Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9mb3J1bS9wYXRpZW50LXN1cHBvcnQtZ3JvdXAtcHJvZ3Jlc3MtcmVwb3J0cy83NzgwMTkxLWp1c3Rkb2l0cy1wbW1hLWpvdXJuZXkuaHRtbD9tYXJrZG93bj0xJnN0YXJ0PTEzNQ==) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: justdoit's pmma journey 9 years 9 months ago [\#1293819805](#1293819805) - **[justdoit](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/4251411-justdoit.html "View justdoit's Profile")** - [![justdoit's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/4251411-justdoit.html "View justdoit's Profile") Topic Author - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/4251411-justdoit.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 51 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=4251411) Checking in from a very long hiatus. I've kept myself very busy since my last post. All is well with my unit. It's been about 8 1/2 months since Round 2 and my stats are as follows: Flaccid Girth is 5 3/4 inches at Midshaft, and Erect Midshaft Girth is about 6 1/4 inches. I've gained roughly .5 inches in Flaccid and Erect Girth after Round 2, so I believe that IF I go in for a 3rd Round, I'll gain another .5 or perhaps less. I highly doubt I'll gain more than .5 inches in grith. As such, I have scheduled Round 3 for November 8, 2016 (ELECTION DAY). My wife can handle up to 6 3/4 inches Girth, and I believe my 3rd Round will not result in any thicker given my past procedures. I had a lot of time to think about this and want to get a 3rd Round done since my original goal was 6 3/4 inches Erect Girth and I'm .5 inches away. This will be my last Round. I do not anticipate needing another, unless I just need a touch up Round. CPW, thanks for all the advice. You've been my inspiration through all of this and will continue to be. I'll catch up with you soon. 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Getting there but still an +1" behind you. I'm glad your wife agreed. There is a huge difference between 6.25" and 6.75" Girth. She'll be amazed. I was just about 9 months between my second and third round. And I'm loving the results. The wife is still getting used to it tho. I just know that your round 3 will be a super success. You're going to be huuuuggggeeee!!!! CPW Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9mb3J1bS9wYXRpZW50LXN1cHBvcnQtZ3JvdXAtcHJvZ3Jlc3MtcmVwb3J0cy83NzgwMTkxLWp1c3Rkb2l0cy1wbW1hLWpvdXJuZXkuaHRtbD9tYXJrZG93bj0xJnN0YXJ0PTEzNQ==) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: justdoit's pmma journey 9 years 9 months ago [\#1293824343](#1293824343) - **[farmerjohn1324](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/4722784-farmerjohn1324.html "View farmerjohn1324's Profile")** - [![farmerjohn1324's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/4722784-farmerjohn1324.html "View farmerjohn1324's Profile") - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/4722784-farmerjohn1324.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 75 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=4722784) Stories like these make me want to keep going. Even if my silicone from Dr. Loria doesn't turn out aesthetic, I can get it touched up. I wish I could have added length. I would have been willing to do Dr. Elist, but he won't work with me now. I will probably get a lig cut in the future. 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Even if my silicone from Dr. Loria doesn't turn out aesthetic, I can get it touched up. I wish I could have added length. I would have been willing to do Dr. Elist, but he won't work with me now. I will probably get a lig cut in the future. Seriously? Elist? Have you read the horror stories about him? If you have and still wanted to go through with a silicone implant from Elist, I don't even know what to say. In a strange way, it is good that you went through with Loria, because I think it probably saved you a lot of grief (physical and emotional) with Elist. Count your blessings. 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I'm hoping that I have great results. That's been my biggest fear as I await the 3rd Round. I don't want any nodules or problem areas after the fact. I'll do my part and make sure I massage routinely as I've done in the past. Length... it is so damn hard to gain, but can be done with dedication and patience. Just keep at it. I'm sure you'll reach your goals. FarmerJohn, stay away from Elist. No need for his implant. 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I hope that round three works out just as well for you. If you decide to go with another full round, just keep an eye on it. You are already aware that the chance of nodules or issues increases with the amount of product. This isn't your first rodeo so I know you know what to do. Good luck! 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I'm one week from Round 3, so I'm looking forward to the whole experience again. I kinda miss that engorged look we all get from the post-procedure swelling. And, then of course the diminishing of that monster look. DOH! 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I'm one week from Round 3, so I'm looking forward to the whole experience again. I kinda miss that engorged look we all get from the post-procedure swelling. And, then of course the diminishing of that monster look. DOH! HAHA yeah, I know that feeling. 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I have an appointment Nov 8 too - in the afternoon. I will probably be in a tee shirt and glasses - say hi if you see me in the waiting room. 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I take it you must be at 4:00? Hey, getting a booking at the Grand was a mess. They said they were booked solid because of conference that's pretty much taking up all the area hotels. I ended up getting an overpriced suite with the Grand, but man did it hurt to fork out the dough. I'll definitely say what's up. Good luck on your procedure as well. 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I am just having my shaft covered in the Silikon 1000, - the PMMA makes me so fucking nervous every time I do it - I couldn't handle the stress of a 3rd round yet. So far it came out really well after 2 rounds, but always waiting for something to go wrong with each procedure so I opted for this. I may go back one last time after all this for PMMA but not for a while. I would like to see what my Dick looks like "finished", and this is supposed to make it very smooth and even, plus you can leave the same day with no aftercare if you want to. Have you tried the Hyatt Place? It is a 5 minute walk and a little nicer than the Grand - but still pretty basic. Usually runs a little over 100. Forget that - just checked for you it is sold out. 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That would be a riot. And you're both going for round 3 too. HonkyDory: My thing is I hate needles. I had a childhood issue with them a long time ago. I've never gotten over it. Anyways, I freak out having the needle inserted in my penis. I literally cover my eyes during the whole procedure. Dr C and Wade are always asking "Are you ok?" I'm fine of course. It doesn't really hurt but it freaks me out. Once it's done I'm fine because I know it will work out. "Go big or go home!" You two will be fine. Congrats! 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