--- title: "7x7 goal - PhalloBoards - Phalloboards" description: "Helllo guys! I'm 22 y/o and I had fft and a ligament release with Dr giunta back in December. A lot of rebsorption occurred but was actually able to keep about..." url: "https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/8720534-7x7-goal.html" date: "2026-08-07T02:09:08+00:00" language: "en-GB" --- PhalloBoards - An Online Community to Discuss Penile Girth Enhancement General Forum Doctors Forum Username Password Remember me - [ Forgot your password? ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/component/users/reset.html?Itemid=101) - [ Forgot your username? ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/component/users/remind.html?Itemid=101) - [ Create an account ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) # TOPIC: 7x7 goal ## Re: 7x7 goal 9 years 1 week ago [\#1297108234](#1297108234) - **[NahImSayin](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/5082829-nahimsayin.html "View NahImSayin's Profile")** - [![NahImSayin's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/5082829-nahimsayin.html "View NahImSayin's Profile") Topic Author - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/5082829-nahimsayin.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 43 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=5082829) I've read that Morganstern offers "perminant" gains, and that's why I rather go with him. Obviously I don't know if I can believe his claims, but it has me interested considering the procedure with Dr. Giunta is temporary Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9mb3J1bS9nZW5lcmFsLXBoYWxsb3BsYXN0eS1kaXNjdXNzaW9uLWFyY2hpdmUvODcyMDUzNC03eDctZ29hbC5odG1sP21hcmtkb3duPTE=) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: 7x7 goal 9 years 1 week ago [\#1297109262](#1297109262) - **[NahImSayin](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/5082829-nahimsayin.html "View NahImSayin's Profile")** - [![NahImSayin's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/5082829-nahimsayin.html "View NahImSayin's Profile") Topic Author - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/5082829-nahimsayin.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 43 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=5082829) I know that my size is a "fine" , but this is something that has bothered me since I was 15. I've been through experiences that have made me insecure of my size. Maybe I won't go so large, but realistically I'd be happy with 6.5 base and 6 midshaft. Would this be achievable with one or more FFT? I have a extremely fast metabolism, so I've been eating as many carbs as possible so that I have fat to work with. 7 maybe a little extreme, I just know I'm not happy where I am currently. 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Surgeons have been making wild claims about treating the fat to ensure it's permanency for years. If they really could do that, the cosmetic filler industry wouldn't exist. Doesn't Giunta claim his procedure is permanent? Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9mb3J1bS9nZW5lcmFsLXBoYWxsb3BsYXN0eS1kaXNjdXNzaW9uLWFyY2hpdmUvODcyMDUzNC03eDctZ29hbC5odG1sP21hcmtkb3duPTE=) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: 7x7 goal 9 years 1 week ago [\#1297108009](#1297108009) - **[hoddle10](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1704891-hoddle10.html "View hoddle10's Profile")** - [![hoddle10's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1704891-hoddle10.html "View hoddle10's Profile") - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1704891-hoddle10.html) - Moderator - ![Moderator](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rankmod.gif) - Posts: 3120 - Thanks: 50 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1704891) Why not go back to Giunta? Doesn't he offer free or very cheap top ups? 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Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9mb3J1bS9nZW5lcmFsLXBoYWxsb3BsYXN0eS1kaXNjdXNzaW9uLWFyY2hpdmUvODcyMDUzNC03eDctZ29hbC5odG1sP21hcmtkb3duPTE=) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: 7x7 goal 9 years 1 week ago [\#1297108573](#1297108573) - **[NahImSayin](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/5082829-nahimsayin.html "View NahImSayin's Profile")** - [![NahImSayin's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/5082829-nahimsayin.html "View NahImSayin's Profile") Topic Author - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/5082829-nahimsayin.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 43 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=5082829) That is a very very solid point. I guess it just sounds so good To be true and me being a 22 year old, Horn dog im not seeing obvious red flags as I should. I did gain about .3 inches mid shaft, no gains under the glans. My Erect length, I forgot to mention has actually reduced about a half Inch because I wasn't stretching as much as I should have, because it was very uncomfortable. It I did invest in the phalloson forte and have been stretching consecutively to hopefully gain some Erect length back. 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I hate all the false infomarion I find by going on google, lol. @hoddle10 No, Dr.Giunta does not claim that results are permanent! That is a very good point you made, I am a complete nube to this as you can probably tell! 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Some will want to try it, just for the novelty, but you'll stop hearing from them afterwards. Once you start getting over 5.5", you start beating up most pussies, and while a beat up pussy may sound sexy in theory, in reality it's a surefire way to get ghosted. And forget about ever having sex with Asian girls. 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I'm 22 y/o and I had FFT and a ligament release with Dr giunta back in December. A lot of rebsorption occurred but was actually able to keep about Inch at the base. I'm going to travel to Dr. Morganstern in the next two weeks, I've read that he is able to prevent reobsorption? I find it to good to be true, but another reason I'm going with him is too enlarge my glans as well. My goal is too gain at a half Inch in Girth or more, I'm trying to be as realistic as possible. What do you guys think? 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I guess it just sounds so good To be true and me being a 22 year old, Horn dog im not seeing obvious red flags as I should. I did gain about .3 inches mid shaft, no gains under the glans. My Erect length, I forgot to mention has actually reduced about a half Inch because I wasn't stretching as much as I should have, because it was very uncomfortable. It I did invest in the phalloson forte and have been stretching consecutively to hopefully gain some Erect length back. That's normal for Erect length and the phallosan should fix that. 0.3 is a decent gain. It looks natural. If you want to continue with fat transfer, I'd go back and get the same again. Slow and steady wins the race with these things. But in all honesty I don't think you need to be bigger. It looks big now. You definitely don't want to be 7", especially at your age. How many young chicks are going to prefer 7" Girth over 6"? Maybe 1 in 20 I'd guess. What is your current Girth? 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I really wouldn't go much bigger if I were you. Ideally stay as you are. But at 22 years old, don't even consider trying for a 7" Girth. Maybe if being big really turns you on and you are an older guy dealing with Milfs, who have had a few kids, then guys can consider freaky big sizes. But you are a young guy in his peak years. You've got another decade or even two left to hook up with younger girls. A huge Girth isn't ideal for that in my opinion. It's a niche thing. A guy such as yourself should stay under 6" imo. 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I hate all the false infomarion I find by going on google, lol. @hoddle10 No, Dr.Giunta does not claim that results are permanent! That is a very good point you made, I am a complete nube to this as you can probably tell! The first thing I'll say as someone who has plenty of experience and have made more than my fair share of bad decisions, is don't allow your desire to cloud your judgement. Sometimes we want something so bad that we sub consciously allow ourselves to not focus on obvious red flags. Think about, if a Dr really had a method for ensuring the permanency of fat, wouldn't he have the largest cosmetic surgery facility in the word and a waiting list of women a year long to have their butts made bigger, their lips filled, their cheeks enhanced and their boobs done. He'd have 10 trained surgeons working for him around the clock. He'd be the most famous plastic surgeon in the world. He'd also relocate to Beverly Hills. But Dr Morganstern is running a Urology clinic in Atlanta! Something doesn't add up. He's been doing it for years, yet I don't think I've ever come across one of his patients. I'm not saying he wont have success at times. All Dr's offering fat transfer do. Effectively it's all the same thing. I've read so many claims of improvements in how fat is treated over the years, but in all honesty, the biggest advancement I've seen is that now most clinics don't overfill and some offer free or significantly reduced priced top ups. Those 2 things alone make things much better than they used to be. With any type of filler based PE procedure, you need to treat it as several stage process, regardless of what the surgeon tells you. Some people get lucky and have a great result in one round, but for most that wont be the case. That's why reduced fee top ups are a good step forward for fat transfer procedures. It's why I think you are better off going back to Giunta. You made some gains after your first round and I suspect you'll do the same after a second round. You may even need a third round. But I promise you, no Dr has perfected fat transfer, no matter what he claims. I just checked Giunta's price list and a second round costs $1650. I think Morganstern charges closer to $10,000. Your first round result looks good. Did you gain anything other than the 1" at the base? 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I've been through experiences that have made me insecure of my size. Maybe I won't go so large, but realistically I'd be happy with 6.5 base and 6 midshaft. Would this be achievable with one or more FFT? I have a extremely fast metabolism, so I've been eating as many carbs as possible so that I have fat to work with. 7 maybe a little extreme, I just know I'm not happy where I am currently. You can't predict how much fat will realistically take. I've seen guys who saw all their gains absorb and some gain over an Inch in one round. But you don't want to go too big as it's fat. If you put too much in it wont feel firm enough. Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9mb3J1bS9nZW5lcmFsLXBoYWxsb3BsYXN0eS1kaXNjdXNzaW9uLWFyY2hpdmUvODcyMDUzNC03eDctZ29hbC5odG1sP21hcmtkb3duPTE=) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. 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