--- title: "Going under the knife - PhalloBoards - Phalloboards" description: "Hi all. This is my first post. I\'m just about to book length and girth surgery with Dr Brian Rosenthal. Current stats are 5x5... - Page 2" url: "https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/6576709-going-under-the-knife.html?start=15" date: "2026-08-06T23:16:14+00:00" language: "en-GB" --- PhalloBoards - An Online Community to Discuss Penile Girth Enhancement General Forum Doctors Forum Username Password Remember me - [ Forgot your password? ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/component/users/reset.html?Itemid=101) - [ Forgot your username? ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/component/users/remind.html?Itemid=101) - [ Create an account ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) # TOPIC: Going under the knife ## Re: Going under the knife 12 years 9 months ago [\#1280083080](#1280083080) - **[Alchemist](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/2267415-alchemist.html "View Alchemist's Profile")** - [![Alchemist's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/2267415-alchemist.html "View Alchemist's Profile") Topic Author - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/2267415-alchemist.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 13 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=2267415) This product info file is about surgimend, from the manufacturer. It talks about how it does not degenerate compared to other acellular dermal matrices. As it's a product used widely in plastic surgery generally not just phalloplasty, issues of degeneration are well understood and documented. This is reassuring, as scientifically it has been established to be better than the likes of alloderm and belladerm whilst being twice as thick to start with. [ www.teibio.com/file-assets/Product-Summa...\_PN-606-999-0421.pdf](http://www.teibio.com/file-assets/Product-Summary_SurgiMend-1.0-4.0-Product-Summary_PN-606-999-0421.pdf) Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9mb3J1bS9nZW5lcmFsLXBoYWxsb3BsYXN0eS1kaXNjdXNzaW9uLWFyY2hpdmUvNjU3NjcwOS1nb2luZy11bmRlci10aGUta25pZmUuaHRtbD9tYXJrZG93bj0xJnN0YXJ0PTE1) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: Going under the knife 12 years 9 months ago [\#1280090768](#1280090768) - **[hoddle10](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1704891-hoddle10.html "View hoddle10's Profile")** - [![hoddle10's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1704891-hoddle10.html "View hoddle10's Profile") - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1704891-hoddle10.html) - Moderator - ![Moderator](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rankmod.gif) - Posts: 3120 - Thanks: 50 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1704891) > Alchemist wrote: Thanks. I am going to go ahead in the first week of December. > > I've sent a PM to chicagolaw and curious1 but I don't think they are visiting the site anymore. Will you start a progress thread? It would be great if you could as we only have Chicagolaw who has had this done. I'm personally very interested in your progress, as I like the idea of being able to insert the graft via the scrotum. I know you aren't having yours via that technique, but if your graft holds up well, then we know it can also be put in via the scrotum. Good luck and keep on posting! 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I am an impulsive person and you are right in that I'm thinking optimistically. So where do I go from here? I'd honestly just wait. I'd love to tell you that there is a better option for you, but sadly there just isn't. I think the current options are a worth a look in certain circumstances, when, for example, a guys life is in total turmoil due to penis size issues. But given the poor track record of these procedures and the fact you are married with children, it just really isn't worth the risk. I promise you I'm not even being over pessimistic here. I can honestly say that in the many years I've been following PE surgery, less than 25% of guys who have it done are pleased with the results a year or two later. I'm not only impulsive, but I'm absolutely desperate to have a bigger penis. My life really is on hold. However, though it took many failed surgeries, I've eventually learned my lesson. Hence though it's very tempting to get PMMA, I'm waiting until I have all the information I need. As i said before, I'm not saying you shouldn't have the surgery period. But you really should wait until you've followed a few guys over a period of time. My very strong suspicion is that Surgimend wont be any better than Belloderm. I think Dr Solomon is a good surgeon and I like his approach of using a scrotal incision and wrapping one sheet. But ultimately I'd be shocked if 18 months later you have much more than 1/2" gain. And even then it seems these grafts deteriorate further over time. At the very least you should wait for Chicagolaw to report his 6 month results. Personally I'd want far more reports than that, but even just one is better than nothing. 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Any Dr Solomon patients able to say if they were happy with results, and how long they lasted? And how about Dr. Casavantes and PMMA, seems like a good option for Girth? 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My surgery is booked for December 2nd. I looked at PMMA but the look is not to my personal taste, I prefer a more natural looking taper. I'm going with Sr Solomon. 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What stretching device is good to go for? Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9mb3J1bS9nZW5lcmFsLXBoYWxsb3BsYXN0eS1kaXNjdXNzaW9uLWFyY2hpdmUvNjU3NjcwOS1nb2luZy11bmRlci10aGUta25pZmUuaHRtbD9tYXJrZG93bj0xJnN0YXJ0PTE1) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: Going under the knife 12 years 9 months ago [\#1279976384](#1279976384) - **[ckingm](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1739736-ckingm.html "View ckingm's Profile")** - [![ckingm's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1739736-ckingm.html "View ckingm's Profile") - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1739736-ckingm.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 7 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1739736) I was about 4.5" EG x 5.1" EL I am currently 5.8" EG x 6.1" EL Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9mb3J1bS9nZW5lcmFsLXBoYWxsb3BsYXN0eS1kaXNjdXNzaW9uLWFyY2hpdmUvNjU3NjcwOS1nb2luZy11bmRlci10aGUta25pZmUuaHRtbD9tYXJrZG93bj0xJnN0YXJ0PTE1) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: Going under the knife 12 years 9 months ago [\#1280094157](#1280094157) - **[Alchemist](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/2267415-alchemist.html "View Alchemist's Profile")** - [![Alchemist's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/2267415-alchemist.html "View Alchemist's Profile") Topic Author - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/2267415-alchemist.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 13 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=2267415) I definitely will create a thread nearer the time, I will try to include photos before, immediately after and the following months Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9mb3J1bS9nZW5lcmFsLXBoYWxsb3BsYXN0eS1kaXNjdXNzaW9uLWFyY2hpdmUvNjU3NjcwOS1nb2luZy11bmRlci10aGUta25pZmUuaHRtbD9tYXJrZG93bj0xJnN0YXJ0PTE1) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: Going under the knife 12 years 9 months ago [\#1279971279](#1279971279) - **[New1inch](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1727852-new1inch.html "View New1inch's Profile")** - [![New1inch's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/avatars/resized/size144/users/avatar1727852.jpeg?1619732583)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1727852-new1inch.html "View New1inch's Profile") - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1727852-new1inch.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 1016 - Thanks: 37 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1727852) @ckingm what was your starting size and whats your stats now after both procedures? Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9mb3J1bS9nZW5lcmFsLXBoYWxsb3BsYXN0eS1kaXNjdXNzaW9uLWFyY2hpdmUvNjU3NjcwOS1nb2luZy11bmRlci10aGUta25pZmUuaHRtbD9tYXJrZG93bj0xJnN0YXJ0PTE1) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: Going under the knife 12 years 9 months ago [\#1279977950](#1279977950) - **[Alchemist](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/2267415-alchemist.html "View Alchemist's Profile")** - [![Alchemist's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/2267415-alchemist.html "View Alchemist's Profile") Topic Author - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/2267415-alchemist.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 13 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=2267415) > ckingm wrote: I was about 4.5" EG x 5.1" EL > I am currently 5.8" EG x 6.1" EL Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9mb3J1bS9nZW5lcmFsLXBoYWxsb3BsYXN0eS1kaXNjdXNzaW9uLWFyY2hpdmUvNjU3NjcwOS1nb2luZy11bmRlci10aGUta25pZmUuaHRtbD9tYXJrZG93bj0xJnN0YXJ0PTE1) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: Going under the knife 12 years 9 months ago [\#1279960294](#1279960294) - **[ckingm](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1739736-ckingm.html "View ckingm's Profile")** - [![ckingm's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1739736-ckingm.html "View ckingm's Profile") - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1739736-ckingm.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 7 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1739736) I have followed PhalloBoards for a long time. I am very thankful for the information and experiences shared as they helped me in my search and decision making. I basically have not posted anything as pretty much everything seems to have been answered before and it takes me a long time to write in english as it is not my main language. However, this topic is along side my alley and I wanted to give something back. I had triple augmentation with Dr Rosenthal about seven years ago. My experience was for the most part positive. I never experienced any major problems during healing. Basically I had no pain, though, I did experience minor swelling and bruising. Right after surgery I gained about an Inch in Girth, however once the swelling went down it settled at about .8 of an Inch. I did have a small gap on the right side close to the glans, I don't think it was very noticeable. A couple of months after surgery, alloderm felt like it was my own tissue. Lengthwise, I guess I was one of the lucky ones, because I gained close to an Inch, eventhough I did not hang for long. I was very happy with the results. The problem with alloderm was that as years progressed I did notice that very slowly I was loosing some of the initial Girth gain. Probably the most I had left was about .60 of an Inch and the thing I liked the least was that I was starting to become a "shrinker" again. I wrestled with the idea of going for a second round. I was not very thrilled at the thought of going through general anesthesia and the risks involved. That's when I came across this blog where PMMA was initially being discussed. That was over two and a half year ago. At the time, one of my main concerns was how would PMMA interact with alloderm. I read a lot, consulted with Wade, did my homework and made up my mind on going for what I thought would give me the best possible outcome with the least amount of risk. So far I am equally happy with my PMMA results. The PMMA procedure went along very smooth. The results were incredible. I never discussed with Dr C. how much I wanted to gain but rather I went along with his judgement, after all, I did my research and I felt confident with his experience. The one thing I was not interested in was asking for too much and obtaining the "corn dog" look. I know some people don't mind it, but it was not for me. Dr C corrected the gap from alloderm and gave me a tapered look. Right after the procedure, I gained about an Inch, definitely a confidence/ego booster. I ended up keeping about .40 of an Inch and that was to be it for me, or so I thought. This thing is addictive. This year, I went for a second round, right after surgery, I gained close to an Inch and a half. I freaked out. Fortunately, within a couple of days, the swelling went down half and Inch, then another quarter of an Inch. Thats when I decided to give it a test run and in my case it was not fun. It was too large. My gal did not enjoy it. In my case, that was proof that larger is not always better. It was not until I lost an additional 1/8 to 1/4 of an Inch that things started to become enjoyable. In the end, I got to keep only .30 of an Inch from the second round. Overall I am very satisfied both with alloderm and PMMA. The results feel and look very natural, I never experienced any complications, and both procedures helped me gain a confidence that at the time perhaps I lacked. If asked, I would do any of the two procedures again. No doubt about it. The difference is that when I made the decision to have alloderm, PMMA was not an available option. Now, if interested only in Girth, I would go with PMMA, however if extra length is desired, no doubt I would consider surgery. I can only attest to my experience, both Dr Rosenthal and Dr C and his team were very competent and profesional and the results lived up to my expectations. In the end, you are the one who will have to put up with the results of your decision making. Both alternatives have their positives and negatives, different costs and risks involved. I echo one of the previous posts, do your research correctly. Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9mb3J1bS9nZW5lcmFsLXBoYWxsb3BsYXN0eS1kaXNjdXNzaW9uLWFyY2hpdmUvNjU3NjcwOS1nb2luZy11bmRlci10aGUta25pZmUuaHRtbD9tYXJrZG93bj0xJnN0YXJ0PTE1) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. 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