--- title: "PMMA Ninja Turtle - Retraction Problems for GROWERS - PhalloBoards - Phalloboards" description: "Hi Guys, Many of you already know me. For others here, I have had 3 session of PMMA. I started out with all 10% and was amazed at... - Page 2" url: "https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/6295995-pmma-ninja-turtle-retraction-problems-for-growers.html?start=15" date: "2026-08-06T16:08:00+00:00" language: "en-GB" --- PhalloBoards - An Online Community to Discuss Penile Girth Enhancement General Forum Doctors Forum Username Password Remember me - [ Forgot your password? ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/component/users/reset.html?Itemid=101) - [ Forgot your username? ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/component/users/remind.html?Itemid=101) - [ Create an account ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) # TOPIC: PMMA Ninja Turtle - Retraction Problems for GROWERS ## Re: PMMA Ninja Turtle - Retraction Problems for GROWERS 13 years 3 months ago [\#1277626236](#1277626236) - **[hoddle10](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1704891-hoddle10.html "View hoddle10's Profile")** - [![hoddle10's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1704891-hoddle10.html "View hoddle10's Profile") - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1704891-hoddle10.html) - Moderator - ![Moderator](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rankmod.gif) - Posts: 3120 - Thanks: 50 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1704891) > Sizemic wrote: Didn't Dr C switch to 30% based on our own demands here? Everyone was so concerned that 20% was causing issues and that he wasn't mixing it right, or that it wasn't supposed to be mixed in the first place. 30% was all the rage even 6 months ago. Everyone seemed to praise it. Not only that but there were a lot of members unhappy with 10% saying they gained very very little. Myself included which I gained nothing from a full session in Round 3 of 10%. 10% seemed to produce results for the first round, but following rounds I remember a few complaints of no gains. > > I'm not sure having 10% rounds is the way to go either... not unless people actually like spending $2000+ on only 0" - 0.25" gains per session. Unless of course Dr C stays true to his original opinion, that PMMA should be seen as an enhancement and not an enlargement. The current procedure completely contradicts what he originally outlined, which was a conservative approach of 10-12cc, followed by a touch up if necessary. Again, I don't want to be controversial or offend Dr C, Wade and their many happy patients, but I'm pretty damn sure that was what Dr C said to those originally looking into the procedure. Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9mb3J1bS9nZW5lcmFsLXBoYWxsb3BsYXN0eS1kaXNjdXNzaW9uLWFyY2hpdmUvNjI5NTk5NS1wbW1hLW5pbmphLXR1cnRsZS1yZXRyYWN0aW9uLXByb2JsZW1zLWZvci1ncm93ZXJzLmh0bWw/bWFya2Rvd249MSZzdGFydD0xNQ==) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: PMMA Ninja Turtle - Retraction Problems for GROWERS 13 years 3 months ago [\#1277625737](#1277625737) - **[Sizemic](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1715817-sizemic.html "View Sizemic's Profile")** - [![Sizemic's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1715817-sizemic.html "View Sizemic's Profile") - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1715817-sizemic.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 460 - Thanks: 0 - - - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1715817) Didn't Dr C switch to 30% based on our own demands here? Everyone was so concerned that 20% was causing issues and that he wasn't mixing it right, or that it wasn't supposed to be mixed in the first place. 30% was all the rage even 6 months ago. Everyone seemed to praise it. Not only that but there were a lot of members unhappy with 10% saying they gained very very little. Myself included which I gained nothing from a full session in Round 3 of 10%. 10% seemed to produce results for the first round, but following rounds I remember a few complaints of no gains. I'm not sure having 10% rounds is the way to go either... not unless people actually like spending $2000+ on only 0" - 0.25" gains per session. Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9mb3J1bS9nZW5lcmFsLXBoYWxsb3BsYXN0eS1kaXNjdXNzaW9uLWFyY2hpdmUvNjI5NTk5NS1wbW1hLW5pbmphLXR1cnRsZS1yZXRyYWN0aW9uLXByb2JsZW1zLWZvci1ncm93ZXJzLmh0bWw/bWFya2Rvd249MSZzdGFydD0xNQ==) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: PMMA Ninja Turtle - Retraction Problems for GROWERS 13 years 3 months ago [\#1277631627](#1277631627) - **[HunkChunk](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1715839-hunkchunk.html "View HunkChunk's Profile")** - [![HunkChunk's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1715839-hunkchunk.html "View HunkChunk's Profile") Topic Author - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1715839-hunkchunk.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 464 - Thanks: 1 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1715839) > Sizemic wrote: Didn't Dr C switch to 30% based on our own demands here? Everyone was so concerned that 20% was causing issues and that he wasn't mixing it right, or that it wasn't supposed to be mixed in the first place. 30% was all the rage even 6 months ago. Everyone seemed to praise it. Not only that but there were a lot of members unhappy with 10% saying they gained very very little. Myself included which I gained nothing from a full session in Round 3 of 10%. 10% seemed to produce results for the first round, but following rounds I remember a few complaints of no gains. > > I'm not sure having 10% rounds is the way to go either... not unless people actually like spending $2000+ on only 0" - 0.25" gains per session. Hi Sizemic, Great to see you here, it's been a while! I think you make a very good point. Dr C is partly "demand driven". But this isn't because he is sold out or not serious about his own take on things, but because he is learning about PMMA along with us, in a form of joint collaboration between the practitioner and his patients. And you are right about the widespread praise in PhalloBoards where 30% was touted as God's gift to Phalloplasty. This is primarily why I chose it, when Dr C presented to me two cases of syringes of Linnea-Safe, one with 10% concentration and one with 30% concentration. It was MY CHOICE to go with 30% and I quoted the positive feedback here to justify it. So any regret should be mine alone. Regarding gains, I cannot say if they aren't better. I think maybe one could go for later sessions with a blending of a syringe of 30% with one of 10% instead of a dilution of 30% by adding another carrier. I think that maybe it is the latter which may be a cause of problems? But I may be wrong. If folks are worried about the total costs of achieving a desired result, they might prefer to have PMMA done with a different pricing protocol, such as the place in Europe which reportedly guarantees target results for a fixed cost up front, no matter how many sessions you have. However, I don't know if they let the patient choose which concentration he prefers, a courtesy extended to us by Dr C. Hunk Chunk PS. Stats and CC's are in my progress report Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9mb3J1bS9nZW5lcmFsLXBoYWxsb3BsYXN0eS1kaXNjdXNzaW9uLWFyY2hpdmUvNjI5NTk5NS1wbW1hLW5pbmphLXR1cnRsZS1yZXRyYWN0aW9uLXByb2JsZW1zLWZvci1ncm93ZXJzLmh0bWw/bWFya2Rvd249MSZzdGFydD0xNQ==) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: PMMA Ninja Turtle - Retraction Problems for GROWERS 13 years 3 months ago [\#1277625240](#1277625240) - **[HunkChunk](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1715839-hunkchunk.html "View HunkChunk's Profile")** - [![HunkChunk's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1715839-hunkchunk.html "View HunkChunk's Profile") Topic Author - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1715839-hunkchunk.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 464 - Thanks: 1 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1715839) Hi Hoddle, Yes, my condition made the surgeon in Russia look in dismay at the ugly botch job I was bringing into his clinic. The nurse also tried hard to look away, and hid her reaction out of courtesy, but I could tell they were not exactly impressed at such a result. You say that my result looks a lot like FFT except for being quite hard, like rubber. This in fact makes it feel even more artificial than FFT. Also, if you just wait for a few months, FFT winds up gone. Not so for my result which can only be dealt with by surgical degloving at considerable expense and trauma. I am very interesting in what you call "tacking" as I have never heard about this before. Although I have pretty much read most of what was written in PhalloBoards v1 and PhalloBoards v2. Could you tell me more about how it works? Does the surgeon anchor the implant to the pelvis, or something like that? Or do they use "tacks" to prevent it from retracting and Turtling? If so I'd be game! What I must now reluctantly call THE IMPLANT seems to be floating upwards towards my glans, leaving the base quite barren. I wonder if it cannot be detached from the inner shaft beneath it, and slid downwards towards the pelvis? If so Dr C could then use 10% to fill out the then empty tip section, which would become flexible again allowing it to shrink down when retracting. Thanks in advance for any additional info. I am quite alarmed at having this surprise result - looking very identifiably as a "Surgically Modified Dick", in such an obvious way that it almost makes me miss the thick clumpy clusters inside a soft Dick after session 2. I am worried about the reactions of several girlfriends who haven't seen me this way, and I hesitate to date others who will notice that I am wearing under my skin a rubbery artificial dildo. HC Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9mb3J1bS9nZW5lcmFsLXBoYWxsb3BsYXN0eS1kaXNjdXNzaW9uLWFyY2hpdmUvNjI5NTk5NS1wbW1hLW5pbmphLXR1cnRsZS1yZXRyYWN0aW9uLXByb2JsZW1zLWZvci1ncm93ZXJzLmh0bWw/bWFya2Rvd249MSZzdGFydD0xNQ==) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: PMMA Ninja Turtle - Retraction Problems for GROWERS 13 years 3 months ago [\#1278056602](#1278056602) - **[HunkChunk](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1715839-hunkchunk.html "View HunkChunk's Profile")** - [![HunkChunk's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1715839-hunkchunk.html "View HunkChunk's Profile") Topic Author - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1715839-hunkchunk.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 464 - Thanks: 1 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1715839) I am posting to update this thread with a progress report. I have tried out both Melanotan-II which gives a suntan and also its sister drug which has the same side effects of Erection quality and libido enhancement, called PT-141. Both of these products have worked for me at small doses, in eliminating the Ninja Turtle effect. So I finally have found a temporary working protocol to not look like a pig in a blanket or worse yet, like a stuffed olive ! I will be asking Doctor C for a Botox shot to prevent retraction, as it is said to paralyse the muscle which causes retraction. However this should last only from 2 to 6 months. If it isn't working anymore or enough, I will use low doses of PT-141 by subcutaneous injection. This should allow going to nude beaches, saunas, swing clubs or whatever other naked public events where I don't want to look like I have an ugly unnatural sexual organ. So there is hope, even if it is merely managing the symptoms rather than solving the problem. Cheers, Hunk Chunk Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9mb3J1bS9nZW5lcmFsLXBoYWxsb3BsYXN0eS1kaXNjdXNzaW9uLWFyY2hpdmUvNjI5NTk5NS1wbW1hLW5pbmphLXR1cnRsZS1yZXRyYWN0aW9uLXByb2JsZW1zLWZvci1ncm93ZXJzLmh0bWw/bWFya2Rvd249MSZzdGFydD0xNQ==) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: PMMA Ninja Turtle - Retraction Problems for GROWERS 13 years 3 months ago [\#1277625520](#1277625520) - **[Miracle8x7](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1724055-miracle8x7.html "View Miracle8x7's Profile")** - [![Miracle8x7's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1724055-miracle8x7.html "View Miracle8x7's Profile") - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1724055-miracle8x7.html) - Moderator - ![Moderator](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rankmod.gif) - Posts: 1328 - Thanks: 1 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1724055) @HC I will be in contact with Wade shortly to discuss my concerns which include the palpability and unnatural texture of the 30% PMMA. I will let you know what he has to offer afterwards. I imagine that the doctor can soften hardened areas using the cannula to break up clusters of beads and then cover with 10% to mask the artificial feel of the underlying product. Either way, no more 30% for this man. 10% all the way. Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9mb3J1bS9nZW5lcmFsLXBoYWxsb3BsYXN0eS1kaXNjdXNzaW9uLWFyY2hpdmUvNjI5NTk5NS1wbW1hLW5pbmphLXR1cnRsZS1yZXRyYWN0aW9uLXByb2JsZW1zLWZvci1ncm93ZXJzLmh0bWw/bWFya2Rvd249MSZzdGFydD0xNQ==) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: PMMA Ninja Turtle - Retraction Problems for GROWERS 13 years 3 months ago [\#1277627825](#1277627825) - **[Skeptical\_One](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1704847-skeptical-one.html "View Skeptical_One's Profile")** - [![Skeptical_One's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/avatars/resized/size144/users/avatar1704847.png?1781856569)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1704847-skeptical-one.html "View Skeptical_One's Profile") - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1704847-skeptical-one.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 4979 - Thanks: 613 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1704847) When I turtle hard, my Flaccid is similar to HC's, although this effect (Turtling) does not happen nearly as often as before I had PMMA. I've contemplated whether or not having a very mild "buried penis" (a topic I learned about through my chats with Hoddle) could be contributing to this pig-in-the-blanket & small Flaccid effect, and I will have it addressed in the future. Maybe a combination of some sort of "tacking" and/or lipo, and manual PE may improve my Flaccid, since I will probably not undergo lengthening surgery. I will say, however, that the pig-in-the-blanket look sure as hell beats my pre-PMMA Flaccid any day of the week. As for now, I've conceded well in advance the risk that my Flaccid may occasionally appear as a pig-in-the-blanket, and having smaller-than-average glans lends my penis to that aesthetic. I'm wondering if there is any effective treatment behind mitigating/blocking the physiological mechanism that makes a segment of men growers/turtlers. Maybe some kind of botox-like product? Or maybe, as I mentioned previously, a combination of tacking, lipo, manual PE, and in HC's case, even lengthening (which I probably wont do). I'm all ears and will continue following this thread. Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9mb3J1bS9nZW5lcmFsLXBoYWxsb3BsYXN0eS1kaXNjdXNzaW9uLWFyY2hpdmUvNjI5NTk5NS1wbW1hLW5pbmphLXR1cnRsZS1yZXRyYWN0aW9uLXByb2JsZW1zLWZvci1ncm93ZXJzLmh0bWw/bWFya2Rvd249MSZzdGFydD0xNQ==) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: PMMA Ninja Turtle - Retraction Problems for GROWERS 13 years 3 months ago [\#1277626803](#1277626803) - **[Sizemic](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1715817-sizemic.html "View Sizemic's Profile")** - [![Sizemic's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1715817-sizemic.html "View Sizemic's Profile") - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1715817-sizemic.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 460 - Thanks: 0 - - - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1715817) True, going into it at 4.5" EG if I was told I'd get 5.5" EG and that was the limit I would have been happy with that. I remember pumping that big and thinking it was huge. Another issue is that there are other Doc's like Dr. N who do 30% only with big sessions. I think a lot of people here pointed to Dr. N's work as evidence that its ok for Dr. C to do the same type stuff. I agree though, if he was more stern in keeping to his original approach (enhancement vs. pure enlargement) there would be less issues here. Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9mb3J1bS9nZW5lcmFsLXBoYWxsb3BsYXN0eS1kaXNjdXNzaW9uLWFyY2hpdmUvNjI5NTk5NS1wbW1hLW5pbmphLXR1cnRsZS1yZXRyYWN0aW9uLXByb2JsZW1zLWZvci1ncm93ZXJzLmh0bWw/bWFya2Rvd249MSZzdGFydD0xNQ==) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: PMMA Ninja Turtle - Retraction Problems for GROWERS 13 years 3 months ago [\#1277631419](#1277631419) - **[HunkChunk](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1715839-hunkchunk.html "View HunkChunk's Profile")** - [![HunkChunk's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1715839-hunkchunk.html "View HunkChunk's Profile") Topic Author - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1715839-hunkchunk.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 464 - Thanks: 1 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1715839) > miracle7.5x6 wrote: @HC > I will be in contact with Wade shortly to discuss my concerns which include the palpability and unnatural texture of the 30% PMMA. I will let you know what he has to offer afterwards. I imagine that the doctor can soften hardened areas using the cannula to break up clusters of beads and then cover with 10% to mask the artificial feel of the underlying product. Either way, no more 30% for this man. 10% all the way. Hi Miracle, It is good to see an intermittent ADMINISTRATOR of this forum and current MODERATOR take up these issues with Doctor Luis Casavantes. He is a very responsible individual and he shall surely take ![heart](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/emoticons/heart.png "heart") to addressing these issues and our concerns, integrating any knowledge thus derived into his treatment orientations. Aside from clumps which were detectable, in my first two sessions I had no PMMA that was detectible to the touch (my personal assessment of shaft texture) either with 10% New Plastic aka Linnea-Safe or with 20% Metacryl (this however did clump). The 30% Linnea-Safe gives a general impression - regularly and evenly spread on the upper end of the shaft - similar to my previous rubbery clumps, which were only in certain areas. The rubbery feel is all around the circumference of the shaft, and I have noticed that it has slightly diminished over six months: it was at its hardest one month after injection. I guess the similarity between the texture of clumps and higher concentrations of PMMA makes sense. Clumps are a clustering of PMMA, making the localized concentration in one small area greater than it ought to be, had it been properly dispersed around the entire surface of the shaft. Hence, the greater the concentration, the more rubbery the tactile impression. As a consequence, your unit feels more artificially enhanced and less natural, the more plastic beads are present in proportion to the collagen, almost giving the impression of a buried plastic dildo. So I agree that even if it winds up costing more with extra sessions and although one must wait longer to achieve a desired final result, 10% all the way would be the way I would proceed if I were to do so again. My PERFECT 1st session results with 10% lulled me into too much confidence about PMMA in any concentration. Had I known that it would be less natural to the touch, I would have stayed away from the higher concentration levels. And I concur that our collective experience here seems to currently point towards the neighborhood of a 15% concentration to give gains while retaining a perfectly "original" feel. Thanks for taking such concerns to Tijuana and hopefully Dr C will have a few weeks to consider what remedies can be brought to guys with issues like mine, so that when I arrive he already has an idea of what might be done during a follow-up session? HC Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9mb3J1bS9nZW5lcmFsLXBoYWxsb3BsYXN0eS1kaXNjdXNzaW9uLWFyY2hpdmUvNjI5NTk5NS1wbW1hLW5pbmphLXR1cnRsZS1yZXRyYWN0aW9uLXByb2JsZW1zLWZvci1ncm93ZXJzLmh0bWw/bWFya2Rvd249MSZzdGFydD0xNQ==) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: PMMA Ninja Turtle - Retraction Problems for GROWERS 13 years 3 months ago [\#1277627334](#1277627334) - **[interested1](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/2061918-interested1.html "View interested1's Profile")** - [![interested1's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/2061918-interested1.html "View interested1's Profile") - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/2061918-interested1.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 46 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=2061918) Hello, this is my first time posting. Thank you everyone for providing a community for this. In regards to this particular matter, its definitely seems like sizemic is right. Dr. C is catering to demand. My thought is that after some point, a large enough gain would likely produce the pig in a blanket effect for many people. The question is at what increase would likely cause this? I would imagine .5 to .75 inches is the max for many. @HC You mentioned that this was not an issue until the 3rd session. What kind of increase did you get for the first two sessions if you don't mind restating? This appears to be a limit for you at least, unless the 30% is the sole culprit. Has anyone else found that after session one or two, they suddenly had the pig in a blanket effect? Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9mb3J1bS9nZW5lcmFsLXBoYWxsb3BsYXN0eS1kaXNjdXNzaW9uLWFyY2hpdmUvNjI5NTk5NS1wbW1hLW5pbmphLXR1cnRsZS1yZXRyYWN0aW9uLXByb2JsZW1zLWZvci1ncm93ZXJzLmh0bWw/bWFya2Rvd249MSZzdGFydD0xNQ==) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: PMMA Ninja Turtle - Retraction Problems for GROWERS 13 years 3 months ago [\#1277625556](#1277625556) - **[Miracle8x7](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1724055-miracle8x7.html "View Miracle8x7's Profile")** - [![Miracle8x7's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1724055-miracle8x7.html "View Miracle8x7's Profile") - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1724055-miracle8x7.html) - Moderator - ![Moderator](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rankmod.gif) - Posts: 1328 - Thanks: 1 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1724055) Thank God I only received 7cc's of 30%. I couldn't imagine having a full session! It'd be akin to walking with a brick in your pants. Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9mb3J1bS9nZW5lcmFsLXBoYWxsb3BsYXN0eS1kaXNjdXNzaW9uLWFyY2hpdmUvNjI5NTk5NS1wbW1hLW5pbmphLXR1cnRsZS1yZXRyYWN0aW9uLXByb2JsZW1zLWZvci1ncm93ZXJzLmh0bWw/bWFya2Rvd249MSZzdGFydD0xNQ==) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: PMMA Ninja Turtle - Retraction Problems for GROWERS 13 years 3 months ago [\#1277627349](#1277627349) - **[smartman](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1725031-smartman.html "View smartman's Profile")** - [![smartman's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1725031-smartman.html "View smartman's Profile") - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1725031-smartman.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 464 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1725031) I totally agree with you Hoddle and Miracle the new collagen post- 30% conc. feels firm and rough so it will be better to use a lower conc. i.e. between 10%-20% . If we look at the korean doctors and what they use for a conc. :- - Only 20% PMMA Artecoll mixed with 70% crossed-linked dextran (LIPEN-10) or Lipen-8 for the shaft . - But for the Glans they use only 15% PMMA Artecoll mixed with 85% crossed-linked dextran (LIPEN-P). N.B. they could easily make the 10% for the glans but they didn't I am sure they found that the 15% gives a better gain and esthetic result for the glans. So I think these doctors tried many different conc.s of PMMA for the shaft and the glans and I assume they found the right one for each. Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9mb3J1bS9nZW5lcmFsLXBoYWxsb3BsYXN0eS1kaXNjdXNzaW9uLWFyY2hpdmUvNjI5NTk5NS1wbW1hLW5pbmphLXR1cnRsZS1yZXRyYWN0aW9uLXByb2JsZW1zLWZvci1ncm93ZXJzLmh0bWw/bWFya2Rvd249MSZzdGFydD0xNQ==) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: PMMA Ninja Turtle - Retraction Problems for GROWERS 13 years 3 months ago [\#1277663189](#1277663189) - **[TenInchGoal](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1763202-teninchgoal.html "View TenInchGoal's Profile")** - [![TenInchGoal's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1763202-teninchgoal.html "View TenInchGoal's Profile") - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1763202-teninchgoal.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 56 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1763202) Interesting thought HC. I always enjoy your well formulated posts. I wouldn't care much about your Flaccid appearance, at least its big and fat when its ready to do the work =]. I have myself am a Grower which is close to 8" long BPEL, but sometimes Flaccid it looks like a baby's penis due to Turtling (cone formed with smaller glans) - tends to shrink more than people with reverse cone shape. I used to be concerned about it all the time but its just not worth it. Does it really feel artificial? It looks very real to me at least. Are you advocating that the best approach would have been to first do 20% 1-2 sessions then finish with a 10%? Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9mb3J1bS9nZW5lcmFsLXBoYWxsb3BsYXN0eS1kaXNjdXNzaW9uLWFyY2hpdmUvNjI5NTk5NS1wbW1hLW5pbmphLXR1cnRsZS1yZXRyYWN0aW9uLXByb2JsZW1zLWZvci1ncm93ZXJzLmh0bWw/bWFya2Rvd249MSZzdGFydD0xNQ==) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: PMMA Ninja Turtle - Retraction Problems for GROWERS 13 years 3 months ago [\#1277632735](#1277632735) - **[HunkChunk](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1715839-hunkchunk.html "View HunkChunk's Profile")** - [![HunkChunk's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1715839-hunkchunk.html "View HunkChunk's Profile") Topic Author - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1715839-hunkchunk.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 464 - Thanks: 1 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1715839) Hi Skeptical One, Thanks for sharing your musings about this problem we both share in common. You went for thicker gains than me at first, so you pretty much beat me to the punch, but I seem to have caught up with you at least in terms of this undesired effect LOL. You can count on me to go the extra mile to find a solution as quickly as possible, because it is important that we all here find some answers to what ought to be both preventable and curable. I don't know just how much of a buried penis syndrome we might have, but I also turtle hard, my world record was a 1" Flaccid just prior to my 2nd PMMA Session, as if my unit knew the hardship that was awaiting it. Or possibly this was a sign that my unit was going to react very violently to that PMMA session, causing the extreme swelling that made the PMMA clump in large clusters? After viewing that extremely distasteful video that Hoddle linked to, showing a poor fellow's penis get butchered, I would really prefer avoiding having my tool "tacked" to the pelvis. I wish there were a less invasive method of getting the PMMA sheath to stick to the base. Maybe there is. If not I will still very much hesitate to get tacking done, because I went to great lengths to avoid pelvic scars, going to Russia for scrotal ligament cuts. Plus that's yet more penile trauma we can all wish to avoid. It sure would be nice to find a technical workaround for penis retraction. However, it is something which can afflict anyone, apparently. There are cases of severe retraction for "reasons unknown" that practically bury one's unit inside the pelvis. What causes this has not yet been properly assessed or explained by medical science, and some even believe it is magic: Penis Snatcher Strikes Fear with Handshake I remain convinced that it might take several methods in conjuction to come to grips with this problem. One is to improve the suppleness of any additional collagen growth, another to ensure it is somehow anchored to the base, manual PE stretching of tissues, finding a way to encourage some Flaccid bloodflow, and finally perhaps a medication to make one's unit less limp? I am thinking of tiny daily doses of Melanotan-II for myself, injected each morning, in order to provide a very slight semi-Flaccid. That way I might better survive the nude beach, while taking care that it isn't so much as to give me an equally embarrassing woody. Cheers, Hunk Chunk Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9mb3J1bS9nZW5lcmFsLXBoYWxsb3BsYXN0eS1kaXNjdXNzaW9uLWFyY2hpdmUvNjI5NTk5NS1wbW1hLW5pbmphLXR1cnRsZS1yZXRyYWN0aW9uLXByb2JsZW1zLWZvci1ncm93ZXJzLmh0bWw/bWFya2Rvd249MSZzdGFydD0xNQ==) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: PMMA Ninja Turtle - Retraction Problems for GROWERS 13 years 3 months ago [\#1277632500](#1277632500) - **[hoddle10](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1704891-hoddle10.html "View hoddle10's Profile")** - [![hoddle10's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1704891-hoddle10.html "View hoddle10's Profile") - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1704891-hoddle10.html) - Moderator - ![Moderator](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rankmod.gif) - Posts: 3120 - Thanks: 50 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1704891) > HunkChunk wrote: > > > Issues: > > - would it even break down the collagen at all? > > - could it damage deeper functional tissues inside the shaft? > > - can it be carried by the bloodstream and cause damage elsewhere? > * Note: there is a lot of bloodflow down there... > > - reducing the collagen won't remove the PMMA beads, hence useless? > > > > > > HC I want to stress I'm not advocating the use of DMSO, as I'm not an expert and don't want to encourage anyone to do anything that is potentially harmful. However, I've long suspected that it could be of benefit to guys who have issues with PMMA. I've used it for several months at a time and never had any issues. So from my own experience and many guys on Thundersplace etc, it does seem safe if used responsibly (ie clean etc). But, again I stress I'm not advocating it or claiming I know for sure it's safe. I'm just saying that I have no worries about using it on myself and I'm the kind of guy that freaks out about possible side effects. In my experience it doesn't seem to dissolve scar tissue, as others have suggested, but it without doubt significantly softened it, which resulted the scar becoming much flatter and more natural feeling. As regards PMMA, I think there is the possibility that it would soften the surrounding collagen and thus make massaging and re-moulding much more effective. You'd need to try it for a month at least and do it twice a day. By massaging the soft PMMA you should be changing the distribution of the beads, which I believe is responsible for the clumping. By the way, tacking can be done without degloving the penis. In the video the penis was degloved to insert the PLGA scaffolds, so they did the taking like that. But Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9mb3J1bS9nZW5lcmFsLXBoYWxsb3BsYXN0eS1kaXNjdXNzaW9uLWFyY2hpdmUvNjI5NTk5NS1wbW1hLW5pbmphLXR1cnRsZS1yZXRyYWN0aW9uLXByb2JsZW1zLWZvci1ncm93ZXJzLmh0bWw/bWFya2Rvd249MSZzdGFydD0xNQ==) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. 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