TOPIC: PMMA in large amounts.... cost?

I applaud you for taking being pro-active and taking this step. Really an honest doctor should have a patient bill of rights that includes opening the Metacril packaging in front of EVERY patient and recording the serial / lot number info. I believe this is how it is done by the doctor in Prague and it would eliminate the problem altogether.

Also, it does not take long to fill a syringe. He likely has an assistant fill them. It takes them no longer to pre-fill them in front of you then it does in private..

And more confusing/troublesome, they can open the packaging in front of you when Metacril is shipped from the manufacturer in a syringe. However they receive it in a vial. So basically this gives them an easy excuse to claim they do not have the pre-filled syringes, therefore they will not comply with your request.

I think they likely have a few Metacril vials in the office. I would insist they fill the syringes in front of you. Or push back on his evasive reply before you travel there. It will take 30sec/syringe so do not feel like your are being too intrusive. There is no legal system to speak of in Mexico, if the patients don' t keep the doctor honest nobody else will.

Hoddle, thank you for replying to my post.

I think you did not understand me. I have nothing against Dr C because he is mexican. Hell more of my neighbors are hispanic than white.

My gripe is very simple. As BB said, he will not let the patient see him fill the vial with the PMMA. This is what I meant when I said BB called his bluff. He asked for proof the PMMA was metacril by having the patients watch the syringe get filled.

If he was using the brand metacril he could of simply said to CJ, "sure I will let you watch my nurse fill your syringes". Instead he sends him a 3 page damage control letter, which like his original message to CJ says "no we will not let you see us fill the syringes"

With this in mind I would not trust the guy. That is all I need to know, nothing more, nothing less.

I agree it is certainly not illegal. But is it unethical, my answer is yes.

Finally if I had PMMA in my penis I would want to be damn sure I knew where it came from and the lot number, so if there was a recall or like such, I could get the right help.

You guys obviously are much more in favor of Dr C, vs the other MDs, so I will just leave it at that. Each member can make his own decision about penis enlargement options.

This is a very concerning question about why Dr. C never showed many of his patients, including me, the name brand of his PMMA. That DOES NOT automatically means he is using no name brands, it just brings the question to mind. I think a very few of his patients were presented with the official PMMA seals, but very few. It would be interesting to see if some one can get an official answer from his office. I know that on all my rounds, his office told me they were using brand name authentic PMMA...

Snoopy you are so disingenuous.

If you or BigBen bothered to read from the very beginning, you'd know it was never a secret that Dr C was mixing 10% and 30% to make 20%. BigBen made a big deal of this, but no one bothered to respond to him. Also, in Mexico the law is different to Brazil, so Dr C can make his own PMMA if he wishes in the same way the rival TJ clinic do. He'd have absolutely no reason to claim to be using Metacril or NP if he wasn't. The brand of PMMA has become a PhalloBoards concern, based on reports from people like Dr C.

The fact that people on this board so openly question Dr C's ethics based on little more than nationality seems incredibly xenophobic to me. I've had botox before in both the US and UK and never once been shown the packaging.

BigBen also wasn't the first person to post the Lemperle story. Those who have done their research will have seen it posted several times in the past. I'm not being critical of BB, but he really hasn't brought anything new to light regarding PMMA. He hasn't called his bluff at all. BB simply didn't know his stuff.

I don't think Dr C does 500 ml injections. Again this is something I know from reading everything I can.

Everyone has every right to challenge the opinions of any Dr. We do it all the time and have been incredibly critical of so many Dr's in this industry. But we can't be critical of a Dr based on little more than a xenophobic attitude. Look at how heavily criticized Dr Loria was and with good reason. Look at the criticism Elist gets and again with good reason. But is being Mexican or working a Mexico a good enough reason to start vigorously pursuing conspiracy theories? I've stated several times I don't like how the PMMA procedure has evolved or the lack of patient profiling by Dr C, but this is very different to basically accusing him of being dishonest and injecting unknown substances. Maybe I'm wrong, but I honestly can't see what the motivation for questioning Dr C's ethics are other than him being from and working in Mexico. This to me personally isn't cool at all. I've never once heard of anyone suggesting that the Dr's prove the source of their allografts for example.

I hope this silliness isn't perpetrated by some former Italian mobster who's now a used car salesmen or a disgruntled ex-member ...

It's a thread going downhill and nowhere fast. End of discussion.

So he might use Asian PMMA and then mix it himself. What are the risks of this, I am guess if you made it through the first few months of this, you will be fine, if it's pure PMMA.

I know in the HIV community, even American doctors recommend him, calling him an expert in this field. I am finding that for the best answers to PMMA long term use, it best to go on one of these hiv forums as they have been using it since the start in 2002, and can give a better indication of long term effects. So far I have read of none, and they praise it.

My concern is the doctors who don't even at least use their own ready made PMMA and are using hydrogel or even silicone, cause this migrates, which means complications. Been reading about women who claim to have been injected with large amounts (800cc) of supposed PMMA costing only like $2000, by doctors in places like Peru, Colombia e.t.c

I have emailed three well known doctors including Dr. Serra and so far have no response to the brand they use in buttock bioplasty. In the email I raised the same concerns about the cost of metacrill.

The Bio-Alcamid turned out to be a total disaster, probably worse then silicone. I am sure the PMMA, regardless of the source, will not be as bad.

My point is these guys are willing to experiment on other people in order to serve their own interests $$.

Dr Loria, is another one I think will likely end up with a subset of terrible outcomes as he periodically "improves" his injection recipe, just like Dr Elist keeps coming out with a better FDA approved implant, haha.

@Snoopy

I've seen box after box of Meta<>Crill' and NewPlastic' (NewPlastic' back at my first procedure). Not just a single box for "demo" purposes. I also watched Dr. Casavantes pull out the vials from the box and fill the syringe. You are alert and can view the whole procedure. Dr. Casavantes even took the time to show me the expiration date and informed me of the counterfeits of the past and what they looked like. You act as if every person (including the Administrator of the forum) simply blindly trusts the good doctor. It seems that you are the arrogant one if you honestly believe that we're nothing more than sheep and perceive Avanti Derma as our Mecca and Dr. Casavantes as our savior. Also, neither Dr. Casavantes nor Wade nor Mel care about "lurking" around our forum. They know of it and are happy it exists. No Phalloplasty procedure is perfectly safe and without risk of deformity. Dr. C presented himself as an "open book" to me. Every question I had; answered. All physical evidence (vials, blunt-microcannulas/boxes/seals); presented to me. I'm glad you decided against PMMA. I'm confident that neither SO nor any Moderator suggested you have the procedure. Obviously, whether one choose PMMA in Europe/Brazil/Mexico and independent of what Dr. performs the procedure, complications can and DO occur. Too risky for ya?... Don't do it.

CJ I see your point, the board has been helpful helping me make my decision. But I am surprised with how this doctor gets so much favoritism. It is very suspicious.

You too seem to give him the benefit of the doubt. But I look at the situation more like, fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. I would not trust my penis with someone that lies about some things like the product he is using and how long it takes to fill the syringe.

But I hope your procedure goes well. No hard feelings buddy.

Miracle you obviously got the right stuff. congrad's the doctor likes you. probably because you write good things about him on the forum. yes he lurks here, that is why he wrote the letter.

Also, were you there all day watching him fill the syringes ? No of course not. Thank you for confirming what I already new, the letter contained a lie about how long it takes to fill a syringe. shameless behavior by the doctor. shameless.


How can you say this guy is more honest than Loria or Elist ?

I wish Phalloplasty were a respected field of medicine. With more attention from brilliant medicine minds there might be greater advances in this field. Just wanted to address Bigben's closing comment.

It could be the nature of the procedure, buttocks I would imagine is not as delicate as the complex penis structure. But this is merely a guess at this point.


The question is a good one though that needs a real answer.

Did you even read my message, you are all over the place. I never said you were present for every procedure !

Let me spell it out:

The letter said:
-It takes longer to fill the syringes than the actual procedure itself (which I know is an hour or two)

You said:
-I watched the doctor fill the syringe in front of me

I said:
-were you there all afternoon ? (sarcastically)

Huge warning flag, it does not take HOURS to fill the syringes. The doctor lied about this to discourage patients for asking for the courtesy to make sure they were getting metacril.. He lied. He lacks ethics. I will avoid him like the plague. If you want to defend his bad behavior fine, but don't do it for my sake. At this point I could care less about his practice.

And I did not attack you, so no need to get testy. We are grown men here.

I am NOT affiliated with Avanti Derma nor Dr. Luis Casavantes in any way. I also receive no discount nor preferential treatment based on what I share regarding my PMMA experience here at PhalloBoards. Of course I'm not present during every procedure. That's a ludicrous statement if I've ever heard one! LMFAO! Ummm yeah... excuse me, "Mind if I sit on your procedure? I'm the PMMA Police and I'd like to ensure you receive OEM/Authentic product." Also, patients that receive 20% concentrations, will likely not see the product. This is due to the fact that the 30% and the 10% are titrated in a sterile environment prior to implantation. Seeing how a large number of patients receive 20%, the surgical team mixes product in advance (this makes sense)

Doctor: "Excuse me sir/madam. We have to mix implant concentrations so it's going to be a while. We enjoy wasting both your money and time as well as ours... It'll just be a little while longer". Give me a break!

If you don't trust your doctor completely, why bother undergoing any procedure he might offer?

You've stated that you don't trust Dr. C or his team. I respect that. Personally, I couldn't care less. However, if you insinuate that I or any of my dear friends here are "pushing/promoting" Dr. Casavantes's services or PMMA in general, I'm going to kick you to the curb. You haven't been here long pal. I've been here for ages. I've never once lied about my experience. NEVER. And yes, I am in need of aesthetic correction. Never denied that either. Yes. Some members have experienced bad results. You want to single out doctors? Fine. That is acceptable. Calling the Administrator "arrogant" and suggesting that I'm a "shill" for Avanti Derma is inexcusable. If I were, believe me, I'd recommend everyone get it. As is, I recommend everyone wait for a superior option.

CJ I think the doctor will make sure your get the real stuff do to all the controversy here. So at least something good will come out of this.

Who knows if enough people speak up maybe he will start acting more responsible with all you guys.