TOPIC: Dr. Loria

Bigben wrote: Silikon 1000 is just a tradename for liquid silicone. It is popular both in the US and Latin America. Its long term complications are as equally devastating as PMMA. Implying that PMMA is a lesser evil because a lot of members here have in their penis is unwise. All the anectdotal evidence shows PMMA serious complications begin showing up at year 3 and smartman is the only guy I know of that truly can speak about long term results. They are both a bad option, and carry significant long term risk to your health.

I understand your skepticism towards this procedure. I share it myself and empathize with the stance you have taken. But I've learned from experience the militant opposal to a procedure can be unwise, as so often, rather than deterring a guy from having PE all together, it simply pushes him towards another type of procedure.

You need to stop posting bullshit comments like the one I've highlighted. You've done it a few times and I let it go, as like I said, I empathize with you and understand where you are coming from. I know you just don't want anyone to go through what you have. But in my experience, posting false claims in order to support arguments that use fear as a deterrent isn't the best way to try and help other members make the best decision for themselves. I spoke the negative truth about the Elist implant until I was blue in the face and had been banned by MNS several times. But ultimately I don't think I did any good, as it's very hard to get through to people once they've made the decision to have a PE procedure. The vast, majority of guys have an uncanny ability to filter out what they don't want to hear.

I think a better approach is to try and get guys to question why they want a penis enlargement in the first place and if these reasons justify the risks involved. Basically try and encourage a more rational thought process. Scare tactics usually just piss people off and if the claims can't be substantiated, they often only further the determination of those they are aimed at.

N1I you bring up a good point. I am 58 now and my sensitivity is not as good as it was when I was younger. A significant drop would be a deal breaker for me.. I will talk to him again, but may hold off on the glan until treatment 2 (glans only needs 1 injections they told me).

Wow is all I can say. 2nd guy just as happy.
Started at. 5 Inch Girth at 6.5 after 3 procedures.
Both very happy and love it. As well he is willing to speak with a mod to tell his story, and he had a fat graft and alodurm before going this route.
He is fine with me shareing his photos but I need a mod number to send them to,In have no idea how to post from my text message.
Thanks for the interest guys just getting this info out to us all.
Kcchief

That lets me choose a picture from my phone to text to anthor. The pictures I have from these guys are in a text and I can't figure out how to get them on the forum. Tommorow I will try and email them to myself and download them to the pc and upload to the forum.

Silikon 1000 is just a tradename for liquid silicone. It is popular both in the US and Latin America. Its long term complications are as equally devastating as PMMA.
Implying that PMMA is a lesser evil because a lot of members here have in their penis is unwise. All the anectdotal evidence shows PMMA serious complications begin showing up at year 3 and smartman is the only guy I know of that truly can speak about long term results.
They are both a bad option, and carry significant long term risk to your health.

Bigben wrote: Hoddle, I respect your opinion but stand behind the highlighted comment 100%. When I have time I can translate the experiences of people with PMMA and liquid silicone implants that have gone wrong and include the links to the Spanish website. I chose not to do this because as you mentioned it may increase fear in people who have already had the procedure, and that is not my intention. But I will provide the info in the complications thread if the forum members feel they would benefit ? Also, I will post less often and wish you all the best.

If you have any information that can be accurately translated from sources that have some legitimacy (or can at least have some plausibility), then it is your obligation to cite them if you wish to make the assertions highlighted in bold by Hoddle.

This forum thrives on the contribution of all posting members. So what exactly is your reason to join threads discussing Silikon 1000 or PMMA if you have nothing but baseless opinions to give? The idea is to share information, debate, and provide different perspectives. Opinions are acceptable when they are formed from an objective analysis. BigBen, you provide no objective content/sources to backup the reasoning behind your opinions. Instead, as Hoddle suggested, you inject fear into the conversation. There is no better way to cheapen the discussion then to incite fear and uncertainty as it pertains to our dicks.

Look at it this way: You (BigBen), find a way to accurately translate or cite a source (or multiple sources) which show men with PMMA in their penises having major issues in the long term. Bingo! Then as a forum, we begin to analyze & discuss your sources starting with #1- determining the legitimacy of the anecdotal evidence to the best of our ability, #2- determining whether the evidence is complete (e.g. brand of PMMA, physician, instrumentation, etc), and if not complete, is there enough info to consider the purported complications a seriousness?, and #3- how it relates to the Mexican & European brand of bioplasty as being reported by patients on this forum.

You see, you will have done a service to your fellow forum members, and the rest of us will have chimed in to better improve the knowledge-base of penis enlargement surgery. That is essentially how this forum has operated since its inception.

Anything else is just cheap discussion, or at worst, fear-mongering.

ripple wrote: I checked out his website, aside from penile enlargement he seems to specialize in hair restoration. Kind of an odd mix of services, don't you think?

Not really. A one-stop shop preying on the vanity and insecurities of men.

4 since last march or 1 a month. He started at 5.25 Girth.

The pictures they sent me look surprisingly good. Full coverage with taper in the neck area, looks very natural to me. Plus he can make my gland larger too, something I have always been self conscious about. Right now I am 7.2 el 5.75 mid eg. This will be my first PE endeavor so a little nervous. I am going to put my deposit down tomorrow though. They said I could be 7.2 x 7.2 soon (2 treatments) which is my goal. Also Dr Lorian hinted I may be able to go as high as 8in eg but said my girlfriends might not think it is such a great idea haha. thanks kc

To be honest, in my opinion, we just aren't going to be able to get anywhere near enough information to make this a viable option. There is a study that was carried out in Israel that I posted here previously, but the results in these articles are hard to independently substantiate. Being a pioneer with PMMA carries a big enough element of the unknown and that has widespread use in large quantities. Silikon 1000 seems like PMMA all over again, only this time we don't have the large South American market history.

Hoddle, let me be clear, I have not read about women with PMMA butt injections complaining of granulama symptoms less than three years after treatment. Cases may exist, so perhaps I should have phrased the time frame less definitively. And yes you make a good point, I can offer some personal experience in the future that guys can relate to better. So, There are only two blogs on PMMA penile injections: "Victims of Dr Bayard" and "Victims of Metacril". Unfortunately though they are in portugese and appear to be heavy on accusations and light on facts, so I primarily have read about PMMA butt complications in the past. The women point out the brand of PMMA occasionally but do not often mention the doctor, and never type of cannula, ect. This type of info just is not available so you never will have all the facts. Honestly, most people that run into problems are depressed and leaving a detailed list of all the circumstances relevant to their case is not a priority. But I agree with you, forum member can filter information accordingly to draw their own conclusions. Let me be clear I am not on a crusade to prevent people from increasing the size of their penis. But I also think it is foolish to limit the conversations to positive outcomes only because it gives guys a false sense of optimism. Some guys will be perfectly happy with the results of their PE procedure for the rest of their lives, others won't.

Anyone know how to post picture from iPhone text message?

Guys one of his customers sent me a few pics this morning and all I can say is this dude is huge over 7 Inch Girth. Hopfully I can ask him to visit the forum and chime in.

Bigben wrote: But I also think it is foolish to limit the conversations to positive outcomes only because it gives guys a false sense of optimism.

Exactly. That's the very reason why I (we) ask you to provide some background/sources/info to your assertions so that we can bring to light real risks associated with any given procedure. In this way we can improve the balance of information, both positive & negative outcomes.

In the meantime, I ask we resume the topic matter, thanks.

Even the butcher elist shows pix of before and after even thu some were not convincing, so if you do not see proof, run way. A few members of this site have gone thru hell and back and their advice is worth millions!