--- title: "The treatment of penile retraction - PhalloBoards - Phalloboards" description: "There is a study about using Botox injection in the Dartos muscle which can reduce penile retraction in about 70% of the cases... - Page 3" url: "https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/5499891-the-treatment-of-penile-retraction.html?start=30" date: "2026-08-06T16:57:21+00:00" language: "en-GB" --- PhalloBoards - An Online Community to Discuss Penile Girth Enhancement General Forum Doctors Forum Username Password Remember me - [ Forgot your password? ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/component/users/reset.html?Itemid=101) - [ Forgot your username? ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/component/users/remind.html?Itemid=101) - [ Create an account ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) # TOPIC: The treatment of penile retraction ## Re: The treatment of penile retraction 14 years 10 months ago [\#1274921660](#1274921660) - **[Irishfan](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1953814-irishfan.html "View Irishfan's Profile")** - [![Irishfan's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1953814-irishfan.html "View Irishfan's Profile") - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1953814-irishfan.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 100 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1953814) Imperial Ask Wade about the Botox now. Two weeks ago he said he was getting a study in the coming days. They may know how to do it by then if they know you want it. I go back in October I am going to check with him Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9mb3J1bS9nZW5lcmFsLXBoYWxsb3BsYXN0eS1kaXNjdXNzaW9uLWFyY2hpdmUvNTQ5OTg5MS10aGUtdHJlYXRtZW50LW9mLXBlbmlsZS1yZXRyYWN0aW9uLmh0bWw/bWFya2Rvd249MSZzdGFydD0zMA==) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: The treatment of penile retraction 14 years 10 months ago [\#1270603713](#1270603713) - **[Zmann](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1741151-zmann.html "View Zmann's Profile")** - [![Zmann's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1741151-zmann.html "View Zmann's Profile") - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1741151-zmann.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 63 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1741151) I just brought this idea up with Wade and he seemed really interested, he was the first to note however it taking up to 5 days to see any results. Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9mb3J1bS9nZW5lcmFsLXBoYWxsb3BsYXN0eS1kaXNjdXNzaW9uLWFyY2hpdmUvNTQ5OTg5MS10aGUtdHJlYXRtZW50LW9mLXBlbmlsZS1yZXRyYWN0aW9uLmh0bWw/bWFya2Rvd249MSZzdGFydD0zMA==) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: The treatment of penile retraction 14 years 10 months ago [\#1271177936](#1271177936) - **[smartman](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1725031-smartman.html "View smartman's Profile")** - [![smartman's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1725031-smartman.html "View smartman's Profile") Topic Author - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1725031-smartman.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 464 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1725031) @swampman, Congrats, I am really happy for you sir, so we have now a non-invasive procedure which can treat Turtling of the penis for 4-6 months, but we should remember it has around 70% success rate . Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9mb3J1bS9nZW5lcmFsLXBoYWxsb3BsYXN0eS1kaXNjdXNzaW9uLWFyY2hpdmUvNTQ5OTg5MS10aGUtdHJlYXRtZW50LW9mLXBlbmlsZS1yZXRyYWN0aW9uLmh0bWw/bWFya2Rvd249MSZzdGFydD0zMA==) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: The treatment of penile retraction 14 years 10 months ago [\#1273880785](#1273880785) - **[aestheticgirth](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1828911-aestheticgirth.html "View aestheticgirth's Profile")** - [![aestheticgirth's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1828911-aestheticgirth.html "View aestheticgirth's Profile") - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1828911-aestheticgirth.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 144 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1828911) Has anyone else tried botox injection yet ? How strong does it affect the flaccid penis ? Botox observation without pmma would be great. here is my try to increase the flaccid size [ phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/Tur...nto-a-Shower-5968131](http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/Turning-a-Grower-into-a-Shower-5968131) Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9mb3J1bS9nZW5lcmFsLXBoYWxsb3BsYXN0eS1kaXNjdXNzaW9uLWFyY2hpdmUvNTQ5OTg5MS10aGUtdHJlYXRtZW50LW9mLXBlbmlsZS1yZXRyYWN0aW9uLmh0bWw/bWFya2Rvd249MSZzdGFydD0zMA==) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: The treatment of penile retraction 14 years 10 months ago [\#1271162585](#1271162585) - **[medilook](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1762364-medilook.html "View medilook's Profile")** - [![medilook's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1762364-medilook.html "View medilook's Profile") - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1762364-medilook.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 167 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1762364) Mikehok. I have tried taking alphablockers. I took 2 pills a day and it does seem to help with Flaccid hang when im relaxed but I still had retraction during exercise. If your retraction is minor u probably wouldn't feel it much but for me it gets really bad to the point I have to stop running because the retraction is to much and causes me discomfort. It discourages me from running fast. Im not looking to get PMMA. I just wanna stop this severe retraction. It happens when I bend over/sit down. I also experience genital shrinkage while holding in bowels but it relaxes after I emptied. Everything. This is so odd and I don't feel like my penis/testicles are reacting normally. Alpha blocker isn't a cure but it does help with Flaccid hang and relaxes the pelvic muscles I believe. Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9mb3J1bS9nZW5lcmFsLXBoYWxsb3BsYXN0eS1kaXNjdXNzaW9uLWFyY2hpdmUvNTQ5OTg5MS10aGUtdHJlYXRtZW50LW9mLXBlbmlsZS1yZXRyYWN0aW9uLmh0bWw/bWFya2Rvd249MSZzdGFydD0zMA==) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: The treatment of penile retraction 14 years 10 months ago [\#1270325212](#1270325212) - **[smartman](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1725031-smartman.html "View smartman's Profile")** - [![smartman's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1725031-smartman.html "View smartman's Profile") Topic Author - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1725031-smartman.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 464 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1725031) I agree with you hoddle :- Botox will help only guys who complain of penile Turtling it will just paralyze Dartos muscle , and not retraction post-penile lengthening surgery due to scar formation. I think it will help guys who are a Grower and may be it could help in penile PMMA bioplasty by preventing Turtling. Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9mb3J1bS9nZW5lcmFsLXBoYWxsb3BsYXN0eS1kaXNjdXNzaW9uLWFyY2hpdmUvNTQ5OTg5MS10aGUtdHJlYXRtZW50LW9mLXBlbmlsZS1yZXRyYWN0aW9uLmh0bWw/bWFya2Rvd249MSZzdGFydD0zMA==) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: The treatment of penile retraction 14 years 10 months ago [\#1271188957](#1271188957) - **[biggerbob](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1724974-biggerbob.html "View biggerbob's Profile")** - [![biggerbob's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1724974-biggerbob.html "View biggerbob's Profile") - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1724974-biggerbob.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 135 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1724974) Well I did sign up for the Botox option. I figured that even at $300, it is probably cheaper than anything here in the states. I'll let everyone know what happens. I'm encouraged by swampman's report though. Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9mb3J1bS9nZW5lcmFsLXBoYWxsb3BsYXN0eS1kaXNjdXNzaW9uLWFyY2hpdmUvNTQ5OTg5MS10aGUtdHJlYXRtZW50LW9mLXBlbmlsZS1yZXRyYWN0aW9uLmh0bWw/bWFya2Rvd249MSZzdGFydD0zMA==) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: The treatment of penile retraction 14 years 10 months ago [\#1274973163](#1274973163) - **[smartman](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1725031-smartman.html "View smartman's Profile")** - [![smartman's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1725031-smartman.html "View smartman's Profile") Topic Author - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1725031-smartman.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 464 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1725031) Hi Imperial, there is a paper I have posted it in post no.1 around a year ago from Egypt, they found the success rate with botox injection was about 70% of the cases ( so that is true what Wade has said " the results vary" ), also in post 9 it was mentioned that it should be done 3-5 days before PMMA injection . In post 10 Zmann had mentioned the botox injection to Wade who was interested about it. 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Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9mb3J1bS9nZW5lcmFsLXBoYWxsb3BsYXN0eS1kaXNjdXNzaW9uLWFyY2hpdmUvNTQ5OTg5MS10aGUtdHJlYXRtZW50LW9mLXBlbmlsZS1yZXRyYWN0aW9uLmh0bWw/bWFya2Rvd249MSZzdGFydD0zMA==) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: The treatment of penile retraction 14 years 10 months ago [\#1270313968](#1270313968) - **[Mustang2020](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1715850-mustang2020.html "View Mustang2020's Profile")** - [![Mustang2020's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1715850-mustang2020.html "View Mustang2020's Profile") - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1715850-mustang2020.html) - Moderator - ![Moderator](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rankmod.gif) - Posts: 1795 - Thanks: 18 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1715850) But will this effect EQ in any way? OR does it have any side effects? such as loss of sensation or? 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My comments in a different post may have upset you. I do not wish to mention my source, but it is a Dr in Mexico itself. No, he is not a liar, as a matter of fact he was being extremely honest. As you may know, there are different levels of quality of Botox. I will change my comments to be more accurate in the previous post. In some Asian countries, they charge very little for Botox but it lasts only a couple of months... Did you read my words: "This is info I was given but I can't verify it and it is general info" I know some one who had Botox in Mexico and it lasted two months only! 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In the openingpost the paper said that some men who had it done even said, that it was increasing their Flaccid size. At least it appreared like that to them. But if that would be a sign for max Flaccid size all the time, that wouldnt be bad. The doc says its like the effect of strechting the penis for a while and then releasing it. So i dont know how good it would work. As for the PMMA patient who take it the same day as the PMMA treatment, that just stupid and pointless. We could use some reports on botox use only thats for sure. 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I have been told that the BOTOX used in Mexico does not last more than two months when used in the face. IF a different brand is used for the penis retraction issue, then this statement does not apply... I hope you dont like to stereotype and generalize, because otherwise I dont know how come would anyone believe that affirmation. Lets take this: " I have been told that the BOTOX used in Mexico does not last more than two months when used in the face." So, if I have ONE doctor who did Botox on my face in Mexico and it lasted 9 months, what do we make of the person who told you that? Is he a liar? Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9mb3J1bS9nZW5lcmFsLXBoYWxsb3BsYXN0eS1kaXNjdXNzaW9uLWFyY2hpdmUvNTQ5OTg5MS10aGUtdHJlYXRtZW50LW9mLXBlbmlsZS1yZXRyYWN0aW9uLmh0bWw/bWFya2Rvd249MSZzdGFydD0zMA==) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: The treatment of penile retraction 14 years 10 months ago [\#1271163389](#1271163389) - **[mikehok](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1724027-mikehok.html "View mikehok's Profile")** - [![mikehok's Avatar](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1724027-mikehok.html "View mikehok's Profile") - [ Offline](https://j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1724027-mikehok.html) - General - ![General](https://j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 83 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1724027) medilook, I agree with you. Alpha blockers work quite well for stress and even cold but exercise is just too strong. I experienced the same thing. Also in a similar way to you, if I have a strong urge to urinate it will also cause retraction. Oddly enough I tend not to retract lengthwise, mine just goes thinner, which I hate ! Please [Log in](https://j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly9qNC5waGFsbG9ib2FyZHMuaW5mby9mb3J1bS9nZW5lcmFsLXBoYWxsb3BsYXN0eS1kaXNjdXNzaW9uLWFyY2hpdmUvNTQ5OTg5MS10aGUtdHJlYXRtZW50LW9mLXBlbmlsZS1yZXRyYWN0aW9uLmh0bWw/bWFya2Rvd249MSZzdGFydD0zMA==) or [Create an account](https://j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. 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