TOPIC: Lengthening surgery, twice?
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14 years 11 months ago #1269981832I have reported this before; I have gained more, and faster (although it's still slow) since having the ligs snipped. My opinion as a long time Hanger is this (again): it works with dedication and allows for the stretching of the skin and fascia beyond what you can achieve by traction alone. If you think you can have them snipped and you'll be longer without Hanging for a year, then you're in for disappointment and likely to report that on line.
That said, and back to the original question, I have often wondered how much scar tissue forms and acts as a constraint (I think this is the only "re-attachment" that happens). And that engenders the question: will a second surgery help, or just create more scar tissue? I don't know the answer, but I plan on asking Dr R. if there is any benefit to scraping down the pubic bone a second time when I go in for an additional layer of Belladerm-
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14 years 11 months ago #1270077845hoddle10 wrote:Basically the ligs hold the penis in position. Without the support of ligaments the penis will just be loose and when erect will point downwards. The suspensory ligs are those at the front, so by releasing just them, the penis should still be pretty well supported. However this isn't always the case. I know of a couple of guys at Thundersplace who have had their suspensory ligaments cut, who now want them reattched as the penis feels loose at the base and makes penetration in certain positions difficult.KFH wrote: So suspensory ligaments aren't really necessary compared to the fundiform ligaments hoddle?
In this thread members of thunderplace discuss getting the ligs reattached:
www.thundersplace.org/forum/showthread.php?t=98113&page=1&pp=15
That's quite interesting. So for example, a patient has his suspensory ligaments cut and then stretches for 6-12 months and gains lets say, an inch in erect length.
If he has his suspensory ligaments reattached, could they attach the ligaments to a part of the penis that was further inside the body than before the lig cut?
Basically, do you think the patient would be able to keep his gains from stretching after the lig cut if he had his suspensory ligaments reattached?
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14 years 11 months ago #1269978784But equally anyone considering it needs to know that there is little to no evidence to suggest that the operation makes the stretching process any easier. People who report gains from using stretchers seem to gain similar amount and at a similar to rate to those who have had the surgery.KFH wrote: I wouldn't say that lig cuts result in no Erect length mustang. For people considering it I think it's more accurate to say you'll be unlikely to see any increase in Erect length without post op stretching.
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14 years 11 months ago #1270013089Basically the ligs hold the penis in position. Without the support of ligaments the penis will just be loose and when erect will point downwards. The suspensory ligs are those at the front, so by releasing just them, the penis should still be pretty well supported. However this isn't always the case. I know of a couple of guys at Thundersplace who have had their suspensory ligaments cut, who now want them reattched as the penis feels loose at the base and makes penetration in certain positions difficult.KFH wrote: So suspensory ligaments aren't really necessary compared to the fundiform ligaments hoddle?
In this thread members of thunderplace discuss getting the ligs reattached:
www.thundersplace.org/forum/showthread.php?t=98113&page=1&pp=15
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14 years 11 months ago #1270069938How much size did Miro Djordevic gain?hoddle10 wrote: Miro Djordevic showed me a photo of a penis that the surgeon cut the suspensory and fundiform ligs. It pointed downwards and couldn't be inserted for sex without the guy holding it. It also made positions such as girl on top impossible. The ligs are there for a reason. Only the superficial ligs can be released safely.
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14 years 11 months ago #1270010037ericf posted this in another thread:
Guys, here is the reason why im asking apparently the bloke below had fundi and suspensory cut, this is what i found on andropenisforum ( i dont know if its ok to post links to other pe sites just google this ):
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In the 5th World Congress of Penile Enhancement, sponsored by the American Academy of Phalloplasty Surgeons, held in Bal Harbour, Florida, USA, the Brazilian doctor Bayard Oll' Fischer Santos presented a fully documented case on pictures from the beginning to the end of the treatment, which basically consisted of the same technique used by the previous record-holder, in which the patient began with 11cm and reached 27 cm, with a gain of 16 cm. The summary recorded in the congress annals defining the entire experiments is as follows:
"Unprecedented case report: Increase of 16 cm in penis length by means of surgery and physiotherapy".
This work introduces a case of length increase from 11 cm to 27 cm. Patient JCV, 32, Caucasian, was seen on 10/11/94 alleging dissatisfaction with his penis size, the dimension of which were 11cm long and 10.5cm of perimeter during Erection.
He had prostectomy on 02/20/95. After healing, he used traction by gravitational force with PLD device until 04/30/95 when he was submitted to a severance of suspensory and fundiform ligaments of the penis and liposculpture. After healing he resumed use of PLD. On 04/27/97 he underwent new surgery to correct penis asymmetry as a result of fat reabsorption and Removal of some lipid cysts. After healing, he started using dynamometric traction with the "Jes Extender'" device.
During the year of '97 he made two more adjustments in the force to be used on the device, which was between 900-1000 grams. He returned on 03/28/2000, as he had reached the maximum stretching length of the device (27cm), which was even slack now, and requested another 5-cm stretching bar. He reported that he had worn the "Jes Extender'" device in the last three months for more than 12 hours a day with a traction between 900-1000 grams and applied a vial of Pregnyl' (5000 UI Human Chorionic Gonadotropin) every 15 days. He reports that his member reached 27cm in length during Erection and that he has been having busy sexual activity and good quality erections. We know that a Flaccid penis, when stretched, reaches the Erection length, which is verified on the use of the device by the patient with its maximum stretch, which is 27 cm.
The importance of this record is not only associated to this patient's amazing penis enlargement, which was even beyond the medical opinion that considered the treatment successful when the penis reached 16 cm in length, but also to attest that a penis can be really enlarged, with no risk to its functions, in spite of many doctors' insistence that penis enlargement is impossible.
This notable fact could not go unnoticed by the international press. The newspaper "Le Monde", of Paris, France, on the 25th of January 2001, reported this record, which was considered for registration in the Guinness Book. At the time the record registration was waiting for the research department to sanction the publication. The registration of this record in the Guinness book was subsequently approved, attesting to its scientific credibility and acknowledging it as the case of greatest penis enlargement in a single patient.
Source: Andrology Clinic of Dr. Bayard Oll' Fischer Santos
Author of the book "A Medida do Homem" (The Measure of Man)
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14 years 11 months ago #12699708721) How could he gain so much with a simple lig cut?
2) How could he have enough skin to cover such a growth in such a short amount of time so quickly?
3) How could he even be functioning so soon after the surgery? (The article says only 1 month later he was begging for a reduction...)
All of this = NOT true.
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14 years 11 months ago #1269970887^ Agreed. There would be no need or a second lig cut unless this was the case.hoddle10 wrote: The only reason for considering a second lengthening surgery, would be if the ligs reattached after the first surgery.
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14 years 11 months ago #1270078191According to Sava Perovic, the patient would lose his gains. Dr Perovic didn't claim patients would gain erect length though, so he was probably talking about losing flaccid gains. I don't think erect gains come from pulling the penis further out, so personally I don't think this would happen. Re-attaching the ligs is a tricky surgery and I don't think it has a high success rate.KFH wrote:hoddle10 wrote:Basically the ligs hold the penis in position. Without the support of ligaments the penis will just be loose and when erect will point downwards. The suspensory ligs are those at the front, so by releasing just them, the penis should still be pretty well supported. However this isn't always the case. I know of a couple of guys at Thundersplace who have had their suspensory ligaments cut, who now want them reattched as the penis feels loose at the base and makes penetration in certain positions difficult.KFH wrote: So suspensory ligaments aren't really necessary compared to the fundiform ligaments hoddle?
In this thread members of thunderplace discuss getting the ligs reattached:
www.thundersplace.org/forum/showthread.php?t=98113&page=1&pp=15
That's quite interesting. So for example, a patient has his suspensory ligaments cut and then stretches for 6-12 months and gains lets say, an inch in erect length.
If he has his suspensory ligaments reattached, could they attach the ligaments to a part of the penis that was further inside the body than before the lig cut?
Basically, do you think the patient would be able to keep his gains from stretching after the lig cut if he had his suspensory ligaments reattached?
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