TOPIC: Ellanse girth enhancement uk

Francis, can you please confirm the depth at which Androfill inject fillers? I had filler migrate into the fore skin which you previously said was because it had been injected superficially, but in this post it sounds like that is a normal risk if you wrap from the base which wouldn’t be possible if the filler hadn’t been injected into this layer

Machinations wrote: Francis, can you please confirm the depth at which Androfill inject fillers? I had filler migrate into the fore skin which you previously said was because it had been injected superficially, but in this post it sounds like that is a normal risk if you wrap from the base which wouldn’t be possible if the filler hadn’t been injected into this layer

Hello Machination
Please find the information in the video below.

Androfill Video

Hi guys I know it’s been a while, I’ve been trying to address my issues that arose after the procedure. My relationship with Dr kimilu and I totally broke down after the complications arose, my initial contact with the head office at London(Francis) was great and I was left feeling very optimistic that my issues were solvable and would be addressed. Francis expressed concerns that the procedure had gone ahead in Manchester as that option shouldn’t have been available there and that he had real concerns at the amount of filler injected for a first time procedure, unfortunately my second contact with Francis was very negative the options he had initially given me to resolve the issues were no longer an option and dr Horn wasn’t interested in taking on the risks that another doctor had carried out. This is where the complications in my situation became confusing, I chose androfil as my chosen clinic because they have experience in Ellanse, I googled androfil and saw that they had a clinic in Manchester, so I attended I stated I was only willing to use Ellanse and that I was willing travel to London but Dr kimilu said he was willing to do it and that if any complications arose we would work through them together. Now after the procedure Francis informed me the aftercare is different and I should have been strapped, and given specific instructions which I didn’t receive, and the doctor was very hard to get intouch with afterwards. After my swelling had subsided and I could see there was an issue a few weeks later I returned to dr kimilu to show him and he became very frustrated almost angry he said “see this is why I don’t use this product” and wanted to inject saline which I refused as I had already been told that it wouldn’t do anything and I would like to travel to London to see the head surgeon Dr Horn. I spoke with Francis who I asked to be present at the meeting as he had been my contact there he said he only if I could make it the very next day, as he was leaving the country 2 days later. I booked the train and traveled down to androfil HQ, when I arrived and met dr Horn he said Francis had left earlier that morning with his suitcase, which I found very strange as I’d specifically spoken to him about being there I still have all the what’s app chats. Dr Horn said saline was useless and asked if the filler moved which it does, and that he thinks dr kimilu just doesn’t know what to do but he advised against surgery to remove( even though 2 specialist andrology clinics have said that is the only option) I stated I wasn’t interested in money I only wanted my issues resolved. He suggested I go back to dr kimilu who at this point wouldn’t return my calls or texts. dr kimilu wasn’t willing to help and had said basically you understood the risks( even though we take those knowing the doctor involved is qualified to rectify any complications), Francis said dr Horn would only help if I concluded my relationship with dr kimilu, he suggested I ask for a partial refund, I asked for a full one hoping to use the money for dr Horn to carry out the work I needed. I received that but my contact with androfil concluded after that. My only option then was a deglove costing £6000 at another specialist, but a few weeks ago I suffered the same reaction i suffered weeks after my first procedure that caused the deformity( that I was accused of having intercourse early, bad aftercare, extreme retraction by androfil) and the lump has now moved again but this time to the head of the penis so I can barely pull my Foreskin back. Should this happen??? I reached out to dr kimilu who ignored me and androfil said we’ve helped enough your on your own you paid dr kimilu it’s nothing to do with us.

I'm sorry to hear about your ordeal, but if you could help provide some context with photos? Your last photos looked fine, and I'd like to see what or why it is they chose not to intervene in your particular case. You speak of reactions and deformities, and to be frank if you've already been comfortable sharing your photos before, you'll be required to furnish them now if you choose to make these types of claims. This is fair to both Androfill and the readership. I'm not dismissing your situation one-bit, but it isn't fair to any party to withhold the most crucial bits of info. I hope you have my understanding here.

From the sound of what you described, this may be situation where Dr. Horn and Francis disagreed with Dr. Kimilu's approach, hence why they gave you a full refund (which I think is fair since they are affiliated, but were not your performing Clinic).

What I mean by disagreeable approach is that Dr. Horn typically:
(1) Requires the injection of Hyaluronic Acid (HA) first in low volumes. This tests how compliant your skin is in general with dermal fillers if I'm not mistaken.[/b]
(2) Then Ellanse itself is injected in small volumes (and it sounds like Dr. Kimilu may have exceeded that).
(3) That bullet-points (1) & (2) should have been observed given your uncircumcised penis (I'm assuming this to be the case since you mentioned Foreskin).

I should note the above list is based on my speculation and the assumption that you've shared all sides of the story. If Dr. Kimilu chooses to forego his relationship with you, we'll see if we can find an alternative solution for your situation. Again, your photos will provide much needed context. And this is also a great time to remind all of our uncut brothers that Dermal Filler injections have a higher susceptibility of aesthetic irregularity when compared to Circumcised men, a reality & risk you'll simply have to assume.

On a side note, please use paragraph breaks in the future, it can be difficult digesting a wall of text for many readers, thanks.

I'm really sorry to hear that.
I think its proven now by many cases that Androfill doesnt act profesionall. They have the clinic in Manchester under their name now they tell the other clinic isnt affiliated with them and they dont know what they are doing.
Also that Francis disappeared is simply another confirmation of whats going on behind the scenes. I also tried to reach out to Dr Kimilu some months ago. I never got any reply to my mail, the phonenumber I called 8 times or so during many weeks only once reached some. I asked a few questions 'Sharen' did want to call me back and never did. More so she ignored my calls afterwards.
Similiar to my situation back then where they didnt offer Ellanse L anymore.
Also Dr Horn has proven reports which showed that he doesnt inject properly and sometimes just doesnt give a sh..
Even Francis wrote once to me I dont know why he did that. Cause in my case the filler was placed on one side wrong. But doesnt matter tbh for my case as I did a crazy amount of aftercare and also only got 6ml its barely noticable nowadays. I would suggest everybody to consider other doctores which have a good track record. Forum partners doesnt mean they have experience, just means they are sponsors.

I wish you all the best bro if its just a small Nodule you should consider going to the Mexican doc we sometimes can break it down with a canula. Adding then some PMMA will maybe even everything out. Good luck

Joytoy wrote: I would suggest everybody to consider other doctores which have a good track record. Forum partners doesnt mean they have experience, just means they are sponsors.

I'm not dismissing your personal complaints or critiques, but this quote in particular isn't true in the case of Androfill. Yes, by all means seek other options and alternatives if you wish, but Androfill as a Sponsor is easily one of the most experienced outfits in the U.K. as far as penis enlargement is concerned, period. They also have been performing HA and Ellanse much longer than most alternative practices I know of in the U.K.

They've also reached out in this thread, among others, providing additional advice, contact, and time without hesitation. I agree that if Dr. Kimilu has ghosted Girthquest1, this is highly inappropriate and I would ask of Androfill to consider their status with him moving forward. I should note that Androfill's Sponsorship does not pertain to any other Doctor other than Dr. Horn + Francis as their primary Administrator/Patient-Coordinator, all other network physicians are NOT "partners."

I simply don't bring anyone on as Sponsors and have even turned down a few Clinics in the past for varying reasons. Furthermore, until we contextualize the complaints made by Girthquest1 via photos, I'd hope we give all parties the benefit of the doubt, including Dr. Kimilu (regardless of their Sponsor status here, which he is not). If it appears they are in the wrong, I'll be the first to agree and will have a one-on-one with them on how to improve customer rapport, especially if Androfill doesn't rectify or clarify the situation with Dr. Kimilu.

If you aren't satisfied with the Bedside Manner or Customer Support of a Clinic I implore you to seek out alternatives, no doubt. Even travel abroad if you must. I will also continue to work with Androfill on examining where there might be lapses or miscommunication between Representatives, Administrators, and Doctors in hopes they can continue to be a longstanding brand, which quite frankly they have. And I've attempted to work with two other British Clinics in the past, both being poor fits (and this had nothing to do with Androfill). I've turned away a few American Clinics based on what I considered unethical medicine. Androfill, despite some few recent complaints, has largely been one of the more reliable providers in Europe.

Here are a few pics from a month ago I will take a few more later

Has anybody got anything good to say about this company with photos to back it up , as someone who is looking to get this procedure done in the UK I’m losing all confidence in Androfill as all we are hearing is bad reports and they seem to be doing nothing to back it up which suggests to me there putting a lot of people of using them in the future.
There website looks great but without recommendations etc the majority of us will end up going abroad for these procedures.

@Skeptical_One check your inbox please

Girthquest1 wrote: @Skeptical_One check your inbox please

I got your message and replied, it appears the issue you were talking about seems resolved-- if not, please reply to the PM and we'll get it figured out.

And thanks for providing photo context, it's most appreciated. I'd be curious to get Androfill's take but regardless, there seems to be some kind of disconnect with Dr. Kimilu and Androfill given your statement that Francis was surprised Dr. Kimilu had not only used Ellanse but used it to the extent (i.e. volume) that he did. This may explain why Androfill & Dr. Horn did not want to intervene since this complication was of Dr. Kimilu's making, and thus providing a full refund was likely the best they could do, especially if Dr. Kimilu has chosen to forfeit his services to you (for whatever reason).

Your best bet would be to take that refund sum and use it to get as much of the aesthetics corrected. I will caution you that being uncircumcised will continue to act as an obstacle throughout this process, but there is good reason to believe your situation in particular can be worked with. To be frank, there aren't a lot of Clinics I personally can vouch for in your neck of the woods, but it wouldn't hurt to get some consultations; if you can afford to travel, there are some American practices that may be able to help as well, if you'd like more info let me know.

Here are some pictures from a few months ago, you can see that is was much further back then.

Seems like getting more filler at the base could make it more aesthetic. Hope you get it worked out.

This is not an Androfill patient.
It was a mistake for me to try to help him when he approached me 2 months after his procedure with Dr. Confidence / Dr. Kimilu.

He writes as much himself at the very start of the thread.
"For this procedure, I will be using Dr. Confidence in Manchester."

The patient sent me copies of his payments which are to Dr. Confidence as I was trying to help him get a refund from Dr. K,
All his consent forms, all read Dr. Confidence / Dr. Kimilu.- he is not an Androfill procedure because he had seen Dr. K directly for the procedure outside of Androfill.

If this were an Androfill patient then he would have paid Androfill, he would have consented using Androfill consent forms and T&Cs, and he would have had me personally do the aftercare, none of which would have involved the "shoelace technique" or any of the aftercare he was trying.

I was told by Dr. Kimilu that he thinks the result was initially good (which I can also see from this thread), perfect in fact.... but somehow a week later it became misshapen while on holiday... I can only think of one or two ways that can happen.

My involvement / Androfill involvement came 2 months after his procedure when he first contacted me.
I tried to help this guy out, despite having never treated him, our clinic never having been being paid by him etc.
I suggested to Dr. Kimilu that he should give the patient his money back regardless of whether Dr. Kimilu suspected he had not followed aftercare instructions and had sex too early.

Initially, this patient thanked me for stepping in between him and Dr. Kimilu. Now that he has been refunded by Dr Kimilu and signed an agreement with Dr Kimilu finalising the matter he is now trying to involve Androfill, saying we performed the procedure.

Not wanting to get any more involved in Dr. Confidence's patients... but how did the result go from perfect in the photos one week out from the procedure... then all of a sudden he went on holiday with his girlfriend and it all became messed up.

I asked Dr Horn to have a look and he gave the patient a consultation in London.
Unfortunately, Dr. Horn does not want to get involved with another clinic's patient and would only tentatively inject HA to smooth out the result.

I have been very patient with this guy and tried to help him despite this being none of my business.

He needs to speak to the Doctor who performed the procedure (Dr. Kimilu as he himself says in his early posts) , the clinic that he paid (Dr Confidence Aesthetics), to whomever consented him and treated him and dealt with his aftercare (Dr Kimilu).

thelenght78 wrote: Has anybody got anything good to say about this company with photos to back it up , as someone who is looking to get this procedure done in the UK I’m losing all confidence in Androfill as all we are hearing is bad reports and they seem to be doing nothing to back it up which suggests to me there putting a lot of people of using them in the future.
There website looks great but without recommendations etc the majority of us will end up going abroad for these procedures.

thelenght78 wrote: Has anybody got anything good to say about this company with photos to back it up , as someone who is looking to get this procedure done in the UK I’m losing all confidence in Androfill as all we are hearing is bad reports and they seem to be doing nothing to back it up which suggests to me there putting a lot of people of using them in the future.
Their website looks great but without recommendations etc, the majority of us will end up going abroad for these procedures.

I do obviously (have good things to say about Androfill and feel good about Androfill), and whenever I log into Whatsapp or emails what I see is a mix that looks like this
- 10% Francis I thought it would be bigger, it's too expensive can I have a discount for next time. (mildly negative)
- 50% no feedback whatsoever, if anything just "when can I have sex with it, or when can I go to gym"(virtually no feedback, assume all is well)
- 29% wow Francis this is great thank you buddy you changed my life etc (very positive)
- 1% This is the worst product, no one assisted me with aftercare, Dr Horn was unfriendly, it is 0.5mm smaller at the head than at the base.

I think it's about the same distribution of reviews as for an Apple iphone which I know to be a brilliant device. But if you go on Amazon 5% of people are saying it is awful.

Now in this particular case of Dr. Kimilus, there is a bad outcome somehow [note: this was not an Androfill patient].

I can see a really nice result after week 1, then I see the patient is writing here on PB that he is going to try a "shoelace technique" and then he is off on holiday with his girlfriend (certainly not having any sex) and returns and somehow it got all messed up on holiday. Perhaps this was not even Dr. Kimilu's fault...?

The majority of feedback I get is positive. If I could anonymize the Whatsapp message feed and live publish it then I think it would give a more balanced view.

Skeptical_One wrote:

Joytoy wrote: I would suggest everybody to consider other doctores which have a good track record. Forum partners doesnt mean they have experience, just means they are sponsors.

I'm not dismissing your personal complaints or critiques, but this quote in particular isn't true in the case of Androfill. Yes, by all means seek other options and alternatives if you wish, but Androfill as a Sponsor is easily one of the most experienced outfits in the U.K. as far as penis enlargement is concerned, period. They also have been performing HA and Ellanse much longer than most alternative practices I know of in the U.K.

They've also reached out in this thread, among others, providing additional advice, contact, and time without hesitation. I agree that if Dr. Kimilu has ghosted Girthquest1, this is highly inappropriate and I would ask of Androfill to consider their status with him moving forward. I should note that Androfill's Sponsorship does not pertain to any other Doctor other than Dr. Horn + Francis as their primary Administrator/Patient-Coordinator, all other network physicians are NOT "partners."

I simply don't bring anyone on as Sponsors and have even turned down a few Clinics in the past for varying reasons. Furthermore, until we contextualize the complaints made by Girthquest1 via photos, I'd hope we give all parties the benefit of the doubt, including Dr. Kimilu (regardless of their Sponsor status here, which he is not). If it appears they are in the wrong, I'll be the first to agree and will have a one-on-one with them on how to improve customer rapport, especially if Androfill doesn't rectify or clarify the situation with Dr. Kimilu.

If you aren't satisfied with the Bedside Manner or Customer Support of a Clinic I implore you to seek out alternatives, no doubt. Even travel abroad if you must. I will also continue to work with Androfill on examining where there might be lapses or miscommunication between Representatives, Administrators, and Doctors in hopes they can continue to be a longstanding brand, which quite frankly they have. And I've attempted to work with two other British Clinics in the past, both being poor fits (and this had nothing to do with Androfill). I've turned away a few American Clinics based on what I considered unethical medicine. Androfill, despite some few recent complaints, has largely been one of the more reliable providers in Europe.

Where are "all those good experiences" you speak about, proven by reports in this board? Me and many others only reported bad experiences with Dr. Horn. Still you support them.
Most reliable partner in Europe? Ok that might be true cause there is no partner else for Ellanse is that what you are trying to say?